****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 2/3/20 THREAD 1****

[BumRushDaShow]

[Eyeball_Kid]

1. The question is: Will the Dems file a motion for a mistrial?

Watching the slow spin downward isn't good for viewing. But Schiff MUST hear the plea to file the motion, and he MUST do it. Filing for a mistrial is based in reality, legal precedent, and common sense. Not doing so would be an Al Gore moment.

[ancianita]

4. You can't ask the oath breakers to adjudicate themselves. "Filing for mistrial"? What's that.

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There is no evidence of a trial.

There's no branch of coequal government that can hold the other accountable, except Congress over the Executive. Which has been attempted and fallen short of the "removal" outcome.

There's no governing body that can do a thing to these senators, unless they've committed theft, fraud or malfeasance, in which case only the courts in their licensing jurisdictions can really do anything to them.

Any attempt to do this would be laughed out of town and used as a campaign issue as proof of the Democrats' foolishness.

[ancianita]

2. Thank you for your faithful attention, BRDS.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. You are welcome!

Had to run out and mails some bills and take care of some errands to get back in time to get the thread up.

[ancianita]

24. Proof that Democrats can do many things at once!

[BumRushDaShow]

26. LOL true

Walking and chewing that gum (and also patting the head and rubbing the tummy).

[bdamomma]

3. A mistrial???

I wouldn't even call it that it was a scam trial. All I know is the Democrats should feel very proud that they are the true patriots in all of this. They presented facts, testimony and evidence. It's all recorded.

Let the party of tRump go to hell.

My best regards to you BumRushDaShow, you are so good to watch and give us your synopsis.

I really can't watch the smugness of Moscow Mitch.

[BumRushDaShow]

5. ***SENATE CAMERA FEED IS ON***

[BumRushDaShow]

6. ***IN SESSION - BENEDICTION***

[underpants]

7. Here we go

[Mersky]

8. Morning everyone, and thank you for keeping these going

Especially, BumRushDaShow!

[crickets]

9. The chaplain is trying so hard with his prayers but

the Repubs don't seem to be listening. No legacy of honor here.

[ancianita]

12. Not a Christian or oathkeeper among the Republican majority.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. ***DEPUTY SERGEANT OF ARMS PROCLATION***

[underpants]

11. Have they addressed what happened with Kansas / Missouri?

[PatSeg]

41. Thanks, I needed that!

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Turtle - 4 hours of final presentation (equally divided) 30 minute lunch, House starts

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Jason Crow (D-CO) begins the House Manager's presentation

[malaise]

15. Here we go

Good morning everyone

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Crow using several quotes from both Daniel Webster and Alexander Hamilton for their views

on impeachment.

[Mersky]

17. Slide: Daniel Webster's Seventh of March Speech - 1850

It is fortunate that there is a Senate of the United States; a body not yet moved from its propriety, not lost to a just sense of its own dignity and its own high responsibilities, and a body to which the country looks, with confidence, for wise, moderate, patriotic, and healing counsels. It is not to be denied that we live in the midst of strong agitations, and are surrounded by very considerable dangers to our institutions and our government. The imprisoned winds are let loose. The East, the North, and the stormy South combine to throw the whole sea into commotion, to toss its billows to the skies, and disclose its profoundest depths. I do not affect to regard myself, Mr. President, as holding, or as fit to hold, the helm in this combat with the political elements; but I have a duty to perform, and I mean to perform it with fidelity, not without a sense of existing dangers, but not without hope.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~dwebster/speeches/seventh-march.html

[Mersky]

18. Slides: Alexander Hamilton's Federalist No. 65

Slide 1:

The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.

...

Slide2:

The prosecution of them, for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused. In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other; and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.


http://wwpavlp10.loc.gov:8080/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers

[crickets]

59. Thank you for posting the slides and vid clips! nt

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Crow has concluded and has handed off to Val Demmings (D-FL) to continue the closing.

[Mersky]

21. Slide: pResident tRump's Impeachable Misconduct

1. The Scheme
2. The Solicitation
3. The Pressure
4. The Exposure
5. The Coverup

[crickets]

22. Val Demings is a wonderful speaker.

She brings the fire every time.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. Demmings is summarizing the charges and is attacking the WH counsel defense

notably with respect to Ghouliani.

[nolabear]

25. Good morning Fellow Underground. Home Stretch.

And I must say, I’m worn the hell OUT. Let’s not forget Iowa in the fray. We’re doing important business there and it needs attention.

And JLo and Shakira rocked and 45 is a stone cold idiot.

Carry on.

[crickets]

27. Running on fumes myself, but it's important to pay attention.

Thanks to all here, and to BumRushDaShow for the threads!

https://twitter.com/houseintel

I cannot find a Wonkette liveblog for today.

[crickets]

28. Demings calls it extortion!

Go, Val, go!

[Mersky]

29. "Enough to prove extortion in court. And certainly enough to prove it here."

Dang. Demings told them what’s obvious to everyone who cares to care.

[democrattotheend]

61. Finally!

I have been wondering why they were not using the word extortion. I wish they had worded the impeachment articles that way instead of just "abuse of power", which sounds more partisan and could be anything.

[Kali]

30. dang I didn't think they were starting for another hour or so

[BumRushDaShow]

34. Since they had the weekend off

they started it at 11 ET today (vs at 1 pm ET). After all of this, if they continue today, they will go into a period of what the Senate calls "Morning Business" (without Roberts needing to be there), where Senators can then talk about whatever subject they want (including the impeachment) but in this case, only up to 10 minutes each. And that will go on until Wednesday afternoon, when they will conclude that "deliberation" portion of the trial, and do the final vote.

[Kali]

39. I knew I should have checked up last night but I was tired

I only missed Crow and the beginning of Demmings so can catch that later or during break. thanks for thread (again!) or I would have missed even more! just logged on and saw it.

[BumRushDaShow]

45. When they adjourned Friday I had to make sure I heard when they planned to reconvene

(and confirmed over the weekend too)

[Mersky]

35. I careened into this myself

Oof, lol, am making it work and keeping it together.

[Kali]

42. glad I saw the thread

I was planning to cruise DU for an hour or so and then start watching...

[Mersky]

31. He wasn't trying to fight corruption, he was trying to make the president of Ukraine act corruptly

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Demmings: "Innocent people don't hide every witness and document"

"That's what guilty people do. Innocent people try to clear their name".

[Mersky]

33. VIDEO: Demings' powerful presentation

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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851752/user-clip-demings-presentation

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Demmings concluded with a slide of Nixon's impeachment report summary.

[Mersky]

40. Golly, you're fast

[BumRushDaShow]

43. Am watching on CSPAN2 (TV)

although I think some of the streams are actually a few seconds ahead of CSPAN's TV feed.

[Mersky]

60. I think my streams run on hamster wheel power

Or it could just be me.

[BumRushDaShow]

62. LOL

Or maybe sloth power!

[Mersky]

63. Ha! How'd you know that's my spirit animal?!

[BumRushDaShow]

64. That was a great movie!

(Zootopia)

[Mersky]

65. Loved it.

Cheetah receptionist is a fave cutie.

[BumRushDaShow]

67. All the detailed wild stuff going fascinated me

[Mersky]

37. Slide: Nixon Impeachment Report - 1974

B. THE INAPPROPRIATENESS OF SEEKING JUDICIAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE COMMITTEE SUBPOENAS

The Committee concluded that it would be inappropriate to seek the aid of the courts to enforce its subpoenas against the President. This conclusion is based on the constitutional provision vesting power of impeachment solely in the House of Representatives and the express denial by the Framers of the Constitution of any role for the courts in the impeachment process.

[BumRushDaShow]

38. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) up to continue the House Manager's closing arguments.

[Kali]

44. YOU will determine

yes they will - and have. our country is swirling down the drain thanks to greedy repuke cowards.

[Kali]

46. invoking McCain!

[crickets]

47. Jeffries: What message do we send to the world

when we say "America's national security is for sale"?

[BumRushDaShow]

48. Jeffries is ticking off each of the civil servants who came forward

and giving a brief bio of each and what they testified in support of the impeachment investigation.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Jeffries has concluded and Schiff is up --

[BumRushDaShow]

50. Schiff is mentioning the names of the staffers who worked with the Managers on this impeachment

And noting the vicious attacks that they have received for doing their jobs.

[Mersky]

53. Really got to me

In a just society, he shouldn’t have to read out their names to protect them. Should only have to do so for praise.

[crickets]

55. Wonderful of him to give them their due.

Shameful that they are harassed for doing their jobs and doing them well.

[BumRushDaShow]

51. Schiff as his conclusion is quoting Elijah Cummings on the day the impeachment inquiry was announced

[BumRushDaShow]

52. Schiff quoted a portion of Lincoln's Cooper's union speach 1860

(on a slide)

[Mersky]

57. Slide: President Abraham Lincoln, Cooper Union Address, February 27, 1860

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Neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us, nor frightened from it by menaces of destruction to the Government nor of dungeons to ourselves. Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it.

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As seen at 11:40 am CT 2/3/2020 on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_Union_speech

[BumRushDaShow]

54. Schiff has concluded and House Managers reserving the 1 hour of remaining time.

[BumRushDaShow]

56. ****30 MINUTE LUNCH BREAK****

[The_Counsel]

58. NBC Pundits Now Discussing Democratic Defections. That's New...

The reasoning behind this is political, of course.

But I gotta say this: ANY Senator--Democrat, Republican, whatever--who is basing their vote on whether it will help/hurt their reelection chances should probably just resign, then. You would think voters would appreciate a principled rep than just a political one. But...eh...this stopped being a nation of principled people long ago, I guess...

[Mersky]

66. Call your senators!

Tell them the House Managers’ case is crystal clear today. They have been informed what they will vote on Wednesday, and are they comfortable signing their name for acquittal for the rest of history.

[BumRushDaShow]

68. ****BACK IN SESSION****

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Cippycup up for the WH final arguments

[spanone]

70. Anyone ask Cipollone why he didn't recuse himself?

[nolabear]

72. I suspect there's a reason he just tees up for Starr.

Who apparently is going to wave a flag and kiss a very big baby.

[spanone]

74. I refuse to listen to that pos.

[BumRushDaShow]

71. Cippycup has handed off to Ken Starr

[BumRushDaShow]

73. What a fucking hypocrite - Ken Starr quoting MLK

[Kali]

75. if there was a god, lightening would strike this asshole down

what a fucking disgusting hypocrite!!

[Mersky]

76. Well put. He's a piece of

work that is foul.

[Zoonart]

77. MLK.... really????????

Holy crap .
This makes me crazy angry and crazy sad at the same time.

[PatSeg]

83. Who do these idiots think they are fooling

when they try to invoke the words of icons like Martin Luther King?

[Zoonart]

84. It is so hard to take.

Listening to this enablers of a morally corrupt criminal appropriate the name of people who are heroes. They can't use the examples of their own GOP heroes because THERE AREN'T ANY!

[PatSeg]

90. Oh yes, that's so true

They only hero they have is Ronald Reagan, but that is predominantly a republican scripted myth. They trash our heroes when they are alive, but later invoke their name as if they always supported them. There is no limit to their hypocrisy.

[CrispyQ]

96. Reagan wouldn't survive in today's republican party.

I have to mute the repubs. The contrast between the two sides is stunning. The hypocrisy of the GOP is jaw dropping. It's hard to have any respect for people who still support the republican party.

[SamKnause]

78. Fucking lying Ken Starr.

He is fucking sickening.

Something horrible should happen to people who knowingly lie.

Our government and justice system is fucked.

Our country is being run by EVIL FUCKING LIARS.

[SamKnause]

79. That sickening fucker.

The Trump cult is so far up Fox "news" ass.

Fucker.

[Mersky]

80. How can starr keep a straight face?

He’s a joke. Sick bastard is enjoying his part in the destruction of American democracy. He’s just one more old fool willing to eat his young to feed his ego and status. Is disgusting.

[SamKnause]

82. They are not human.

That is the only conclusion I can come up with.

They are evil and they are not human.

[BumRushDaShow]

87. Valium.

[Mersky]

89. That would explain A LOT.

[crickets]

95. Ha! I needed a laugh. Thanks. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

81. Star is done and Mke Purpura is up.

[BumRushDaShow]

85. Now Mulvaney's doubling down of yes there was a quid pro quo we do it all the time

was "a misinterpreted statement". Mkay.

[Kali]

86. from the clowns that say Schiff LIED about his paraphrasing of the shake-down call

[Mersky]

88. When are they gonna bring out the sock puppets?

I mean, if they’re gonna put on a show, they might as well make it something interesting.

[BumRushDaShow]

91. Purpura done. Now Philbin

[Kali]

92. this guy is such a moron

isn't he the one who showed the clip of Schiff saying he was paraphrasing dipshit shaking down Ukraine?

[BumRushDaShow]

93. ****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 2/3/20 THREAD 2**** UP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212945025

[Mersky]

94. Gah, purpura flipped and inverted Volker's sentiments

Those were damning to tRump. But not in bizarro fox defense land.

[Mersky]

97. Oops, posted to the wrong thread

[BumRushDaShow]

98. This is gonna go on for many hours through until Wednesday

and I'm not going to be able to do threads on that. Not sure if you want to start a new one for these statements....?

[Mersky]

99. Yeah, d'oh! It's gonna be a slog

LAS14 posted a thread to monitor and record opinions/reasonings/excuses as the different senators speak.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212944917#post1

[BumRushDaShow]

100. Okay cool!!!

[Mersky]

101. Is gonna be a weird effort over there

Minutes ago, grassley grumbled-out grumpy gaslighting talking points. Is pretty bad excuse making.

As you catch bits of this maybe contribute here and there as you can? I dunno how this is gonna go - he did not play well with the innumerated excuses.

[BumRushDaShow]

102. I am on

MIRT and have been trying to do both the past couple weeks, which is difficult,,, so I may try to pop in now and then.

(did just see Patty Murray finish up her remarks)

[Mersky]

103. Is totally cool

Just wanted you to know - in case you need to vent if you happen to hear over-the-top garbage rationalizations.

As you were, then, doing the good things you do (including MIRT)!

And, ya know, thank you!

[BumRushDaShow]

104. Will definitely check in!

I still have it on in the background (MSNBC and I expect others are doing the Iowa Caucus coverage). Just saw Stabenow's presentation and looking at Wyden now.

Have appreciated your amazing support with these marathon threads!!!!!!!!!!