I'm going to try to fill in a spreadsheet. I need your help.

[LAS14]

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Here's the thread: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212944917

On Monday, I'll start a thread where people can report on each senator's reasons for their vote. I can't watch wall to wall, so I'm hoping people will report on various senators in that thread. In preparation, I need to come up with categories that would work in a spread sheet. Here's what I've got so far. Any senator might fall in more than one category. Can you suggest other categories?

Nays
He was wrong, but it didn't rise to impeachable (Alexander).
He was wrong, but it's not worth it to prolong the trial when the conclusion is known (Murkowski).
He cared about general corruption in Ukraine. He did nothing wrong.
The House process was flawed because they didn't go to court.

Yeas
Emphasis on article 1, abuse of power.
Emphasis on article 2, obstruction of congress.

tia
las

[cry baby]

1. Rubio said it rose to impeachable, but removal would be bad for country. nt

[Karadeniz]

2. Good one.

[LAS14]

3. Thanks! nt

[csziggy]

7. Rubio's exact words

Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office.
https://medium.com/@SenatorMarcoRubio/my-statement-on-the-presidents-impeachment-trial-9669e82ccb43

Be sure to read the responses. They are uniformly disgusted with Rubio's and the other Republican senators' cowardice.

[Mersky]

4. Sure thing, I'll help

I like your idea! I’ll track with your thread, and in the live commentary that day.

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Do you want to use a particular format in the subject line and body of posts?

Like a summary in the subject:
Name - guilty, but; not impeachable; futile; corruption; process.


Then, any notes or context in the body?

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Senators probably will have more than one reason or excuse. For instance, here’s a possible additional one under nays: He did wrong, but let the people decide - as was alexander’s feigned naivety about the distinct likelihood of tRump cheating to get re-elected by inviting foreign influence, etc. Is such a stupid remedy for the pResident’s misdeeds, and I’m curious as to what rate the republicons will point to this crap as somehow logical or ethical.

[LAS14]

5. Thanks. Thoughts.

"Like a summary in the subject: "

I can work with whatever, but I think just the name of the senator in the subject would work best.

"Name - guilty, but; not impeachable; futile; corruption; process."

Once I gather any categories that people submit here, I'll number them and ask people to list the numbers that apply to each senator. And to describe a new category if one comes up, with the next available number.

Does this sound like it will work?

tia
las

[Mersky]

8. Numbering will work to code up the onslaught of rationalizations

I’ll use whatever guide you post. Will be rather interesting to see how their excuses stack up.

Thanks for taking this on.

[OAITW r.2.0]

6. I'm sure their reasons will change over time. Would be nice to have multiple entries for

the various excuses that will be floated from the cowards in today's GOP.

[Mersky]

9. If they're gonna sell out their country for the terrible pResident

And are so desperate to force their hateful and wasteful policies onto the American people, then their treachery deserves to be recorded in all the detail that the various corners of the web have to offer.

Gonna need a baseline for their claims now vs. later when regrets set-in.

[OAITW r.2.0]

10. They will employ the Maxwell Smart method of determining a good talking point -

"Would you believe......?"

[Mersky]

11. Lol, yeah, they're gonna have to throw out a lot of garbage

Oh, and I had to look up the phrasing from Get Smart - wasn’t really available when I was growing up.

[LAS14]

12. Ah!! Get Smart!!! I'll put it on my list of golden oldies to find streaming! Thanks for the remin

der.

[Mersky]

13. K&R!

[Mersky]

14. Will you start this thread?

The CSPAN link is below. Senators have ten minutes to speak about anything until 4 pm on Wednesday. I’ll go in and out of it, reviewing the CC transcript.


https://www.c-span.org/congress/?chamber=senate

[LAS14]

15. Here's the thread. nt

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212944917

[Mersky]

16. Sweet! Thank you!