****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/31/20 THREAD 3****

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Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212933656
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212934619

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1. ***COUNT 51 - 49 AGAINST WITNESSES****

Continuing in a new thread for discussion...

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2. ***SENATE CURRENTLY IN RECESS SUBJECT TO CALL OF CHAIR***

[blogslut]

3. Hopefully they're going home after this damned vote.

Save to aquittering until next week.

[BumRushDaShow]

4. I would hope so too but the Senate is controlled by Drumpf

and according to the pundits, it's the battle between the WH and McConnell Drumpf wants a victory lap at the Super Bowl (which is Sunday, with his big ad buy) and a spike-the-football with a celebration in the endzone moment, during the SOTU (which is next Tuesday) - plus the Iowa Caucuses are Monday, so it's a battle to finish up Wednesday or this weekend.

[Arkansas Granny]

7. If Trump wants an acquittal tonight, Moscow Mitch will probably oblige him.

[underpants]

10. Bernie Warren and Klobachar are probably flying to Iowa

[Nikki28]

5. I don't understand how this work

Since they voted for no witnesses and docs, is it the end of the trial? Or is there more to come?If they already let the killer off, what more is there to do?

[hlthe2b]

9. They have to have the ultimate vote but there is discussion about other articles being advanced &

Senators given time to explain their votes when delivered on conviction/acquital.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. They still have to debate and vote on the final vote to convict or acquit. So still more to come.

There is also the issue of the State of the Union scheduled for Tuesday so it's all the discussion by the leaders on the schedule going forward.

[hlthe2b]

6. So what the hell comes next and when? Tomorrow morning? Parliamentary steps?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

14. The next vote will come when Moscow Mitch is sure of his count.

[bdamomma]

8. ok so now

where does this leave us and our Democratic Leaders?

[BumRushDaShow]

15. The Dem Senate leadership is still working on next steps based on some parliamentary options

[Hermit-The-Prog]

17. Possibly . . .

They may be trying to figure out how to keep Putin and his minions from access to all of our resources, which would be used to further the war on democracy.

The Senate is just a couple of votes away from granting unlimited license to Trump. We know Trump loves dictators, especially Putin. We know Trump is easily manipulated by Putin. It wasn't hyperbole when the House managers warned of the use of the entire 4.7 trillion dollar budget for corrupt purposes.

[greatauntoftriplets]

12. Preet Bharara and Ricky Sanctimoniousorum are practically coming to blows on CNN.

They're in separate cities, but I'd love to see Preet deck Ricky-boy.

[Bluepinky]

13. Disappointed in Murkowski, but she's a Republican after all.

Susan Collins is pathetic, her yes vote is a joke. She and Lisa probably drew straws to see which one could pretend to be a patriot and Susan won. Hope they’re both voted out of office (as well as many others).

[bdamomma]

18. Collins only voted yes

because she was being threatened and getting death threats at home.

[Orangepeel]

24. she only voted yes because it didn't matter

[mahatmakanejeeves]

16. Democracy dies in a well-lit room. NT

[avebury]

19. Okay this is what the Democrats need to do

if they are given say at least 15 minutes to talk: They need to get some staff people do do a bunch of 15 minute mini interviews with one bomb dropped in every segment including the receipts. Democrat Senators could use the mini interviews for their segment t. They just need to drop enough “bombshells” to make it very ugly for the Rethugs.

[Mersky]

20. Is disappointing. Senators, even republicans, are supposed to be better than this.

I am not a vengeful person, but I will never forget what they did today. I hope they are forced to remember and regret this day for the rest of their lives. They sold out their country, because they wouldn’t stand up to the fox news pResident.

[Kali]

21. yeah

I know they are awful, but you hold out hope for a shred of decency...

[Mersky]

35. I was hoping for a shred of it

Just gonna have to figure out what to do going forward. The republican senators are all complicit in the coverup, and they will own the horribleness that unfolds.

[Mersky]

41. Thanks for being in here, Kali

I’ve appreciated your voice and commentary!

[Kali]

104. oh hell you guys are amazing!

I can barely type a word before it is on to the next subject...

thank YOU!

[sprinkleeninow]

101. I attempt to stop vengeance coming upon me in its tracks, but

I having been entertaining hatred this week especially.

[BumRushDaShow]

22. Apparently both the Dem and GOP caucuses have let out about 5 minutes ago

and they have been filing back into the chamber.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. Is enough of the public paying attention? . . .

Are there enough people aware of the stakes to make a difference?

The Republicans are close to granting an unlimited license to Trump. Trump does Putin's bidding. Putin and Trump despise democracy. Trump has shown he is willing to use our resources to manipulate our elections.

With an unlimited license to cheat, what will he do?

[Arkansas Granny]

25. Trump will see this as a total vindication. He will be unleashed.

[BumRushDaShow]

26. ***ANNOUNCED SCHEDULE****

FINAL VOTE - NEXT WEDNESDAY!!!

Deliberations on Monday/Tuesday and possible odds and ends remaining votes tonight (Schumer Amendments). And then a vote on the new schedule Rules.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

27. At least that takes away his Superbowl gloating.

[BumRushDaShow]

28. Not just the Super Bowl but if they go for that, the SOTU too.

Hopefully there are enough Rs willing to do that...

[crickets]

29. I dunno. He may just claim exoneration and gloat anyway.

Who's gonna stop him?

[BumRushDaShow]

33. In the TV land world he's in, it's the optics

(Pelosi will still be standing behind him in HER chamber while he was still not "legally acquitted" yet until a vote on Wednesday - again assuming that Rule gets approved)

[crickets]

36. Good point, and she does have an excellent glare.

Thanks for all the threads, BRDS!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

30. is SOTU on Tues, the 4th?

[BumRushDaShow]

31. Yes.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

32. Thanks. and THANKS for these threads all through the process!

[BumRushDaShow]

34. You are welcome.

At this point if they can even get this schedule approved for those dates, it's a consolation prize for not having a SOTU ad.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

37. no SOTU ad is at least a small victory ...

"Me." posted this in GD a little while ago: Small Victories People

[BumRushDaShow]

43. Well I expect he'll still do an "ad" but he may have trouble trying to do a victory lap yet.

And agree with Me.'s post.

I think we already knew the outcome months ago (and in fact, no President has yet to be removed by conviction in the Senate). But it was a matter of working in a media age with a self-promoting media mogul in the WH.

[blogslut]

38. Small favor, I guess

Thanks for the threads BRDS. heart emoji

[BumRushDaShow]

46. You are welcome!!!

[Mersky]

39. Thank you, BumRushDaShow!

Thank you for your diligence! DU is better for your marathoning through these live threads.

[BumRushDaShow]

42. And thank YOU for getting the info on those slides into these threads with your

"placeholder" posts.

[Mersky]

44. You know you're welcome!

Had to squeeze CSPAN in there somehow

[BumRushDaShow]

40. Wow. MSNBC getting a Blunt presser and the Dems pulled a parliamentary trick

According to Blunt, apparently the Dems told them that they could put up enough roadblocks (amendments, etc), and then add that onto the final debate and remarks from each Senator as part of the current Rule - enough to go until "Wednesday at 4 pm". So with that threat, it sounds like they may have enough votes for a new schedule that will have the final vote on Wednesday, with no weekend session.

[Mersky]

45. I heard that, too

Glad you captured it. The situation could use the oxygen of a weekend off.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. They just talked to Klobuchar too and she said that the Dems

technically weren't involved in that schedule (I'm assuming saying they are conceding nothing) but knowing the Iowa Caucus is Monday and 3 Ds need to be there, it probably is as good as it gets not to have the gloat job in prime time.

[Mersky]

52. True, lol

his gloat job can wait. Bleh and yarf.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

47. PBS "recorded earlier": Senators Murray, Brown, Harris comments

[Hermit-The-Prog]

48. and now Schumer (recorded before today's session)

[Mersky]

50. Hermit-The-Prog!

You’ve been in these threads like a champ with seriously great commentary and humor, so thank you!!!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

54. Welcome and thanks back at you ...

Kinda disagree with the characterization, but that's your bidness.

Been a challenge at times because of my sluggish connection and inability to remember direct quotes when I wanted to.

Thank you for transcribing and finding slides and videos! Often they would pass by too quickly on the screen for me to get more than a few points, then I'd find you had posted the whole content.

[Mersky]

61. I could flip your last paragraph around

And right back at you. I’ll be back in here...

[riversedge]

51. an agreement on the schedule ................

Link to tweet

?s=20

Link to tweet

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[BumRushDaShow]

55. And to append that - there had been options of how to do the "deliberations"

and they decided to do it as what they regularly dub in the Senate - "Morning Business" - meaning not "sitting in an impeachment trial" but back to a state of regular Senate business. But in this case, Senators can come and go and each will have an opportunity to do their 15 minute speeches, and Roberts will not need to be there for those 2 days allotted for it. Also it will not be closed so it will be open to public viewing - but still considered "deliberations".

[Bayard]

53. I guess its too late?

Too late for Dems to put their own Superbowl ad together?

[BumRushDaShow]

56. I wouldn't rule out Steyer or Bloomberg

(both technically Democrats and far more wealthy than you-know-who) to do their own ads.

[sprinkleeninow]

103. Strongly believing for these two to come thru bigtime! Yes! eom

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57. ****BACK IN SESSION****

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58. The clerk is reading a resolution on the desk

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59. Turtle - allowing Schumer to submit 4 amendments for vote and then Turtle will have votes to table

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60. Schumer - parliamentary inquiry - re: Chief Justice in Johnson trial, broke a tie

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62. Roberts gave a statement about the Johnson instances of tie breaking had to do

with more minor things like closing the trial, etc. and thus he did not want to insert himself.

[Mersky]

85. Here's the video of roberts' being a prim and proper

Non-partisan, but partisan hack in disregarding the tie breaking vote during the Johnson impeachment:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851386/user-clip-roberts-disregards-tie-breaking

[BumRushDaShow]

86. LOL his staff apparently wrote something up for him in advance to read as his "answer"

[Mersky]

89. Figures.

Was hoping he’d somehow redeem himself some from the citizen’s united decision, but meh, he’s still roberts.

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63. Schumer Amendment - to call the 4 witnesses. Turtle motion to table the amendment.

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64. ROLL CALL to table 1st Schumer Amendment (request for witnesses)

[Mersky]

65. Clip of CJ being a stick in the mud

Coming up

[Arkansas Granny]

66. I dont know that it means anything, but watching coverage on PBS and

they are showing different views of Senate chamber than we've seen before.

[BumRushDaShow]

67. There is only 1 feed so everyone is seeing the different views

[Arkansas Granny]

71. I wonder why the change.

[BumRushDaShow]

74. Probably because it's mainly just roll call votes for tonight.

As I understand it, there are 4 cameras that were permitted in there.

Supposedly the Senate communications control the camera views.

[Arkansas Granny]

100. Thanks for keeping these threads going.

I've been able to listen sporadically at work, but these threads have allowed me to keep track of what's been happening.

[BumRushDaShow]

68. Tally - 53 yays 47 nays. TABLED.

(and in this case, Romney & Collins voted AGAINST the witnesses)

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69. Schumer - Amendment to subpoena Bolton

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70. ROLL CALL to table 2nd Schumer Amendment (request for Bolton)

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72. Collins voted with Demcrats NOT to table the Bolton subpoena

(that's who she must care about)

[Hermit-The-Prog]

73. thought the roll-call was pre-recorded being replayed. effectively the same.

[BumRushDaShow]

76. It's NOT going to be the same - the Romney/Collins vote is on this one!!

They both want to hear from Bolton!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

83. sorry, I meant this whole series of votes. thought it was from earlier.

[BumRushDaShow]

84. LOL okay

These are Schumer's amendments before they pretty much wrap it up for the night after any other business.

[Bayard]

79. I thought they were done till next Wednesday?

[BumRushDaShow]

75. Romney voted NO to table (like Collins)

(so also apparently interested in Bolton too)

[BumRushDaShow]

77. Tally - 51 yays 49 nays. TABLED.

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78. Schumer - Amendment to subpoena Bolton - with stipulations including a deposition

and other items related to the schedule.

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80. ROLL CALL to table 3rd Schumer Amendment (request for Bolton deposition with timeframe for that)

[brettdale]

81. so thats 53 votes FOR Witnesses?

so thats 53 votes FOR Witnesses?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

91. No. vote was 51-49 AGAINST witnesses. these are amendments.

[Mersky]

102. Nah, all these votes are to table the amendments the Democrats are bringing

Schumer reads out the amendment, then mcturtle gets up and stretches out his leathery neck sack to squash real votes for the amendment. It’s the type of interjection that he lives for, because he’s a soulless shell person.

[BumRushDaShow]

82. Collins voted with Democrats on this Amendment too

[sprinkleeninow]

88. I just got in being upset all day. 53 yes votes for what, please?

[BumRushDaShow]

90. They are voting on 4 amendments that Schumer has submitted

so far all have been for different witness subpoenas. Collins/Romney voted with Rs for the amendment for Mulvany, Duffy, etc but WITH Ds for the Bolton ones.

[sprinkleeninow]

97. I kinda figured that, but my poor noggin.

Ima over here--PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, fortuitous BREAKTHROUGH!

You have been rocking it with your wunnerful diligence in all the posts. God! So magnificent you are!

And I'm truly grateful. 💙

[BumRushDaShow]

99. Thank you! This is really historic and I wanted to be around to watch

gavel to gavel (with little or no sleep )

[Hermit-The-Prog]

94. YES means 'table the amendment' so it will not be debated or adopted at this time

[sprinkleeninow]

98. Ooh ooh, should I commence a mini happy dance?? 😁

[BumRushDaShow]

87. Romney voted with Democrats

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92. Tally - 51 yays 49 nays. TABLED.

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93. Van Hollen Amendment to vote on having the Chief Justice rule on subpoenas and documents

if applicable.

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95. ROLL CALL to table Van Hollen Amendment (request for Chief Justice to manage subpoenas/doc requests)

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96. ****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/31/20 THREAD 4**** UP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212936452