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elleng

(130,908 posts) Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:07 PM Jan 2020

Murkowski said:

“Given the partisan nature of this impeachment from the very beginning and throughout, I have come to the conclusion that there will be no fair trial in the Senate. I don’t believe the continuation of this process will change anything. It is sad for me to admit that, as an institution, the Congress has failed,” said Murkowski, a key moderate senator who has been closely watched on the witness question.'

The only logical and fair reading suggests she'll vote to find TR GUILTY (imo.)

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Murkowski said: (Original Post) elleng Jan 2020 OP

"logical and fair" are not part of the equation. dchill Jan 2020 #1

I wouldn't agree with her that Congress has failed. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #2

EXACTLY 100% bluestarone Jan 2020 #3

Congress 'failed' as far as repugs/wh/tr refused to make evidence available. elleng Jan 2020 #9

I have been thinking she may try to thread the needle that way. rzemanfl Jan 2020 #4

Logical? Mme. Defarge Jan 2020 #5

Moderate Republicans. Moderate Khmer Rouge. Moderate Nazis. Girard442 Jan 2020 #6

Very fine people. nt 42bambi Jan 2020 #7

THIS. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #10

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #11

She'll just do what they all are - 'did it, or not, but 'not removable offense'. Rubio... jmg257 Jan 2020 #8

dchill

(38,493 posts)

1. "logical and fair" are not part of the equation.

Reply to elleng (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:09 PM

Jan 2020

MontanaMama

(23,314 posts)

2. I wouldn't agree with her that Congress has failed.

Reply to elleng (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:09 PM

Jan 2020

The Senate has definitely failed.

bluestarone

(16,940 posts)

3. EXACTLY 100%

Reply to MontanaMama (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:10 PM

Jan 2020

elleng

(130,908 posts)

9. Congress 'failed' as far as repugs/wh/tr refused to make evidence available.

Reply to MontanaMama (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:31 PM

Jan 2020

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)

4. I have been thinking she may try to thread the needle that way.

Reply to elleng (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:10 PM

Jan 2020

We'll see how that works for her.

Mme. Defarge

(8,030 posts)

5. Logical?

Reply to elleng (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:11 PM

Jan 2020

Why start now?

Girard442

(6,072 posts)

6. Moderate Republicans. Moderate Khmer Rouge. Moderate Nazis.

Reply to elleng (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:18 PM

Jan 2020

42bambi

(1,753 posts)

7. Very fine people. nt

Reply to Girard442 (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:20 PM

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MontanaMama

(23,314 posts)

10. THIS.

Reply to Girard442 (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:46 PM

Jan 2020

Could not agree more.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)

11. +1

Reply to Girard442 (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 05:00 PM

Jan 2020

jmg257

(11,996 posts)

8. She'll just do what they all are - 'did it, or not, but 'not removable offense'. Rubio...

Reply to elleng (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:25 PM

Jan 2020

Voting to find the President guilty would not just be a condemnation of his action. If I vote guilty, I will be voting to remove a President from office for the first time in the 243-year history of our Republic.
...blah blah blah...
The two are not the same. Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office.

Nevertheless, new witnesses that would testify to the truth of the allegations are not needed for my threshold analysis, which already assumed that all the allegations made are true.

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