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Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:55 PM Jan 2020

John Kelly: Without witnesses, Senate will be forever known as shirking its responsibilities

NYT Live Updating 11 Min Ago

John F. Kelly, President Trump’s former chief of staff and secretary of homeland security, said on Friday that the Senate would be known forever as a body that “shirks its responsibilities” if it wraps up the trial of his former boss without hearing witnesses.

Mr. Kelly, breaking even further with the president, said the impeachment proceedings would be only “half a trial” if the senators did not hear testimony from the likes of John R. Bolton, the president’s former national security adviser, who wrote in an unpublished book that Mr. Trump directly conditioned American security aid to politically beneficial investigations.

“In my view, they kind of leave themselves open to a lot of criticism,” Mr. Kelly told NJ Advance Media in an interview tied to an upcoming speech at Drew University. “It seems it was half a trial.”

Mr. Kelly, who already said this week that he believed Mr. Bolton’s account, which the president has denied, pointed to polls showing overwhelming public support for witnesses.

“If I was advising the United States Senate, I would say, ‘If you don’t respond to 75 percent of the American voters and have witnesses, it’s a job only half done,’” he said. “You open yourself up forever as a Senate that shirks its responsibilities.”


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John Kelly: Without witnesses, Senate will be forever known as shirking its responsibilities (Original Post) Mike 03 Jan 2020 OP
K&R... spanone Jan 2020 #1
This is what I don't get D_Master81 Jan 2020 #2
They're more scared of trumPutin and the oligarchs than of the voters. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #5
my thoughts are If dealing with just one person (tRUMP) that's one thing BUT bluestarone Jan 2020 #7
He had a terrible reputation even before he hooked up with trump that's why trump wanted him lunasun Jan 2020 #3
Without witnesses and documents, there was no trial Hortensis Jan 2020 #4
True (obvious) awesomerwb1 Jan 2020 #6
It's like something you'd see in russia EleanorR Jan 2020 #8
Make that the Republican Controlled Senate MagickMuffin Jan 2020 #9
Kelly's words mean nothing to anyone. maxsolomon Jan 2020 #10
Fuck him. Can't unring that bell, John. Squinch Jan 2020 #11

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
2. This is what I don't get
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:01 PM
Jan 2020

They are essentially calculating that the political blowback from holding a sham trial will be less than if they heard witnesses and then said they still don’t think it’s impeachable. I mean at least with Kavanaugh they pretended.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
5. They're more scared of trumPutin and the oligarchs than of the voters.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jan 2020

GOPers in office are betting that the consolidation of power is complete. They do not fear the voters.

bluestarone

(16,970 posts)
7. my thoughts are If dealing with just one person (tRUMP) that's one thing BUT
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:08 PM
Jan 2020

We have a HORNETS NEST here! Probably 30 or more RETHUGS involved in this shit! They are thinking their best chance is the 2020 election!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
3. He had a terrible reputation even before he hooked up with trump that's why trump wanted him
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:02 PM
Jan 2020

In my view .....
If I was advising ..

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
6. True (obvious)
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:07 PM
Jan 2020

But here's another mofo who knows about a ton of crap that went down at the WH and he's said nothing.

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
9. Make that the Republican Controlled Senate
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:20 PM
Jan 2020

Just like they controlled the 3 branches until the Blue Tsunami in 2018

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
10. Kelly's words mean nothing to anyone.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jan 2020

Dems have been in front of him for years; Repukes have written him off as disloyal to the boss.

I guess he's talking to Schmidt, Rubin, Wallace et al? They already know it, too.

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