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Is the stock market crashing right now? (Original Post) 2naSalit Jan 2020 OP
Yes. 3_Limes Jan 2020 #1
My son got a couple packages from China, and commented about the coronavirus and holding off buying. TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #37
its not crashing relatively speaking, uponit7771 Jan 2020 #2
I think the market was just looking for a reason to drop. A lot of junk going on. Hoyt Jan 2020 #3
I think you're right about that... 2naSalit Jan 2020 #19
It's down 650 now. If it is coronavirus, somebody must know we'll be dropping like flies shortly. Hoyt Jan 2020 #21
Right? So I am thinking it 2naSalit Jan 2020 #22
Yep ck4829 Feb 2020 #25
Yes, there are few flights coming out of China. at140 Jan 2020 #4
Reason? I always wonder how such can be attributed. elleng Jan 2020 #5
Coronavirus quarantees of millions of Chineese people 3_Limes Jan 2020 #9
Likely a big part of the equation, elleng Jan 2020 #10
Look for some empty WalMarts in the near future. TeamPooka Jan 2020 #15
Yup. "Coronavirus sell off" per MSNBC. I think it's far more. nolabear Jan 2020 #6
Yeah, I don't buy that it's ony about the virus...nt 2naSalit Jan 2020 #20
It isn't Brexit FBaggins Feb 2020 #26
Virus... Brexit...Trump... you name it. Zoonart Jan 2020 #7
A sell-off, not even close to a crash. 11 Bravo Jan 2020 #8
Forget the absolute number and focus on the percent drop... tandem5 Jan 2020 #11
Whew... I just sold a shit load out of my IRA two days ago OKNancy Jan 2020 #12
That sounds awesome. mahina Feb 2020 #27
Faux news "market slide impeachment worries" Watchfoxheadexplodes Jan 2020 #13
No, but we could make it so ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #14
Down 2%. A bad day, but not a crash. Mike 03 Jan 2020 #16
No. former9thward Jan 2020 #17
Down 597 right now. nt leftyladyfrommo Jan 2020 #18
Down 603. Just wait until the shipments of products from China stop. Liberal In Texas Jan 2020 #23
Kick ck4829 Feb 2020 #24
How are you defining "market crashing"? PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2020 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #29
Really? The market isn't open yet Maeve Feb 2020 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #32
No. It's not. It opens at 9:30 AM. You're referencing pre-open "futures" onenote Feb 2020 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #36
Which market? Unless you are talking futures, you are not talking US markets Maeve Feb 2020 #34
There are a lot of factors Johnny2X2X Feb 2020 #31
Why Are Economists So Bad at Forecasting Recessions? mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2020 #35
Another day, another set of "sky is falling" posts on DU onenote Feb 2020 #38
I wouldn't call it a crash unless 1/3+ of value is gone, it's bloated big time? Brainfodder Feb 2020 #39

3_Limes

(363 posts)
1. Yes.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:53 PM
Jan 2020

Well, not 'crashing'. The anticipated disruption to the World economy is being 'priced into' the market.

2naSalit

(86,636 posts)
19. I think you're right about that...
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:42 PM
Jan 2020

I was just noticing that it was advertised as a selloff due to the virus issue in a little insert box on MSNBC's livestream. Looked like it was falling rapidly. Dow was down 300pts last I saw before this break in the Senate action.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. It's down 650 now. If it is coronavirus, somebody must know we'll be dropping like flies shortly.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:53 PM
Jan 2020

2naSalit

(86,636 posts)
22. Right? So I am thinking it
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 05:03 PM
Jan 2020

has to do with many things, as usual. I don't follow the stock market except to notice where it is on a daily basis. I think it's all pretty manipulated anyway.

at140

(6,110 posts)
4. Yes, there are few flights coming out of China.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:54 PM
Jan 2020

That will put a big kibosh on international business activity.

3_Limes

(363 posts)
9. Coronavirus quarantees of millions of Chineese people
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jan 2020

Who would otherwise be going to work, pumping out billions of dollars of goods to be shipped around the world. But they're not. So the sale of those goods, and the income they won't generate comes out of the equation.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
6. Yup. "Coronavirus sell off" per MSNBC. I think it's far more.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:55 PM
Jan 2020

Brexit, America’s deep wounding, trade uncertainty, corruption enabling, no one at the helm...I’m not surprised.

FBaggins

(26,743 posts)
26. It isn't Brexit
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:25 AM
Feb 2020

China’s market is limit down in the largest drop in years... while London’s FTSE is up moderately this morning.

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
11. Forget the absolute number and focus on the percent drop...
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:59 PM
Jan 2020

at Dow 30k, 500+ is a drop in the bucket.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
12. Whew... I just sold a shit load out of my IRA two days ago
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jan 2020

I have to finance building a "granny pad" on my daughter's farm. Hoping to move this summer if it's finished.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,348 posts)
14. No, but we could make it so ...
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:02 PM
Jan 2020

Imagine millions of "little" investors cashing out in coordinated protest of what's going on with fascism and oligarchs around the world.

Hit 'em where it hurts.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
16. Down 2%. A bad day, but not a crash.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:11 PM
Jan 2020

Talking heads will probably call it "a correction" or something like that.

But it's likely coming, some day.

former9thward

(32,016 posts)
17. No.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:15 PM
Jan 2020

Anyone who would sell stocks over a small scale virus affecting almost no one in western countries should not own stocks in the first place.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
28. How are you defining "market crashing"?
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:40 AM
Feb 2020

On Friday it was down a truly frightening 2.09%. But at that it's up from a couple of months or so ago.

Keep in mind that the markets periodically make new highs. They never make new lows.

And depending on your mind set and financial resources, this could be a buying opportunity.

Response to 2naSalit (Original post)

Response to Maeve (Reply #30)

onenote

(42,704 posts)
33. No. It's not. It opens at 9:30 AM. You're referencing pre-open "futures"
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:44 AM
Feb 2020

Which are up around 180 points.

Response to onenote (Reply #33)

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
34. Which market? Unless you are talking futures, you are not talking US markets
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:46 AM
Feb 2020

Apparently, you are talking the FTSE, the only one that would make you accurate at this time.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
31. There are a lot of factors
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:27 AM
Feb 2020

Stocks are a little overpriced. We still don't have a trade deal with China (phase 1 is a joke and contains very little that matters), Coronavirus, Brexit, tepid US growth.

Know that most US economists are still predicting that the US enters a recession in 2020.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,464 posts)
35. Why Are Economists So Bad at Forecasting Recessions?
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 10:48 AM
Feb 2020
March 28, 2019, 1:00 AM EDT Corrected April 29, 2019, 12:40 PM EDT

Why Are Economists So Bad at Forecasting Recessions?

Professional forecasters feel safer in a crowd. There’s not much incentive to stick one’s neck out.

By Simon Kennedy and Peter Coy

In 1966, four years before securing the Nobel Prize for economics, Paul Samuelson quipped that declines in U.S. stock prices had correctly predicted nine of the last five American recessions. His profession would kill for such accuracy.

With recession talk returning to haunt financial markets and the corridors of central banks, a review of the past suggests that those who are paid to call turning points in economic growth have a dismal record. Unlike the stock market, they’re more likely to miss recessions than to predict ones that never occur. The lowlight, of course, was the widespread failure to forecast America’s Great Recession, which began in December 2007—nine months before Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy.

In February, Andrew Brigden, chief economist at London-based Fathom Consulting, worked out that of 469 downturns since 1988, the International Monetary Fund had predicted only four by the spring of the preceding year. By the spring of the year in which the downturn occurred, the IMF was projecting 111 slumps, fewer than a quarter of those that actually happened. In a post on his firm’s website, Brigden wrote that while IMF economists monitoring Equatorial Guinea, Papua New Guinea, and Nauru can walk tall for their recession calls, the rest pretty much flopped. “Since 1988 the IMF has never forecast a developed economy recession with a lead of anything more than a few months,” he says.

IMF economists point out that they’re not alone in missing downturns. A recent working paper by Zidong An, Joao Tovar Jalles, and Prakash Loungani discovered that of 153 recessions in 63 countries from 1992 to 2014, only five were predicted by a consensus of private-sector economists in April of the preceding year. And the economists tended to underestimate the magnitude of the slump until the year was almost over.

{snip}

onenote

(42,704 posts)
38. Another day, another set of "sky is falling" posts on DU
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:51 AM
Feb 2020

If I've said it once, I've said it a dozen times: DU is not a reliable source for stock market forecasts.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
39. I wouldn't call it a crash unless 1/3+ of value is gone, it's bloated big time?
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:58 AM
Feb 2020

Otherwise, just a correction?


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