****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/31/20 THREAD 2****

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212933656

[BumRushDaShow]

1. ****15 MINUTE RECESS****

[Tommy_Carcetti]

2. So, does Cipollone dare show his face after the break?

We're waiting.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. MSNBC is discussing him.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

4. You know better ...

GOPers do not feel shame, they only use the concept to manipulate others.

[nolabear]

5. Remember, TV sets cost money. Only throw soft objects.

[underpants]

8. What'd I miss?

Or General the House managers just have a big morning?

[Kali]

17. in Schiff's opening he mentioned the Bolton news today

including that Ciposhit was in the room.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

6. local CBS back to regular programming ...

expecting NBC to leave about the time the recess ends

Klobuchar on PBS right now

[Hermit-The-Prog]

7. and local broadcast NBC is out. only PBS continuing

[rzemanfl]

9. This is an awfully long 15 minutes. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

10. It's been about 45 minutes so far

It could be that Schumer is is fussing with Turtle. I saw a brief presser from Schumer when they first went on recess and he was fuming.

EDIT - MSNBC just said they were told that Turtle was still holed up in his office.

[rzemanfl]

11. Meanwhile, back at the outhouse,

things are piling up. Parnas now, naming names, offering corroborating evidence.

[BumRushDaShow]

12. MSNBC mentioned that too - particularly the Parnas lawyer drop.

Sadly, IMHO, I don't think they care - the GOP probably all got some kind of tainted money (there were a bunch who had been named who got money from Parnas' PAC, including 2 here in PA).

[PA Democrat]

14. Parnas's lawyer sent letter to McConnell offering testimony, call. travel records, documents

implicating Pompeo, Pence, Graham, Nunes, Rudy among others in plot to smear Bidens.

MSNBC is reading the letter.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Turtle has emerged from his burrow and was seen in the hallway.

[BumRushDaShow]

15. ****BACK IN SESSION****

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Presentation from WH counsels - Philbin up

[Hermit-The-Prog]

18. Philbin is lying -- "emotional abuse of power". he's providing fig leaves for GOPers.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

19. is Philbin there just to let the Senators catch up on sleep? drone drone drone

[elleng]

20. Same old arguments AGAIN and AGAIN!

and saying Dems came to 'congress' in BELLIGERENT TERMS!

[Mersky]

21. STFU, philbin, your talents don't matter in this non-trial

Not with Moscow Mitch and the rest of the crime syndicate, known as the republican party, willing to sell out their country.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. GOP really is a crime syndicate ...

They appear to worship at the feet of the billionaire bosses they helped create with the looting of America. There are sociopathic billionaires and multi-millionaires who consider government an obstacle to be removed. The only parts of government they want are those which protect them and provide services they need to continue looting in comfort, and they expect those parts to be paid for mostly by everyone else.

[Mersky]

25. Yep, is all they really care about

Unchecked greed and power by any means necessary.

[cynatnite]

22. House proceedings took 78 days...the Senate will only be a fraction of that...

And this guy says the house proceedings were rushed?

[BumRushDaShow]

24. Philbin's nonsense is done and now on to Suckylow

[SamKnause]

26. Sekulow is wasting time.

He is a terrible attorney.

I left out the obvious.

He is also lying.

[Arkansas Granny]

27. His list of witnesses sounds vaguely like a threat.

[crickets]

28. Thanks again for running these threads, BumRushDaShow

I've been running errands and missed all the bombshells this morning/afternoon. Sounds like it's been a hoot. Three cheers for Lev Parnas and his lawyer. Whew!

House Intelligence Committee Twitter

Wonkette: Trump Tried To Grab John Bolton By The Mustache In MAY. F*cking MAY! Impeachment Liveblog, Day Whatever!

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. Am I the only one who wants to throttle Philbin and Suck-him-low?

Maybe it's good that I'm 700-odd miles away from DC.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

30. hey, stupid Sekulow, it is an impeachable offense -- the House impeached him! ...

The only questions here are:

1. Should witnesses be called before the Senate?

2. Should documents be obtained from the obstructing Administration?

3. Are the offenses sufficient to warrant removal?

[BumRushDaShow]

31. Suckylow is done and now to the House for rebuttal.

[nolabear]

32. This is going fast. I hope the rebuttal is a barn burner.

[elleng]

34. Schiff sounds GOOD!

[BumRushDaShow]

33. Schiff is shredded the WH counsels idiotic assertion that having witnesses in a trial

is not that simple and unprecedented.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

35. Schiff is not going to let them nap as they did through Philbin's low-key mumbling.

[Progressive2020]

36. Republican Cover-Up

This is not a real trial. It is a rigged Republican Kangaroo Court. They are blocking Witnesses and Evidence. No Witnesses, No Evidence, then it is not a Trial. Trump will not be exonerated, because there was no trial, no matter how the Republicans vote.

The GOP is just part of covering up Trumps illegal and impeachable actions. He Abused his Power, he and his people covered it up and Obstructed Congress. These Republican Senators who vote to end the Trial without Witnesses and Evidence will go down in History as people who sided with Corruption over Justice, and Politics over Country.

[BumRushDaShow]

37. Schiff - this is the "Dershowitz principle of constitutional lawlessness"

[Mersky]

38. "Greatest deliberative body in the world, but not even you can deliberate a trial without witnesses"

Schiff makes this so simple, and yet, republicons are lost.

[nolabear]

39. ...a daily drip of new disclosures that would set them back on their heels...

[BumRushDaShow]

40. Schiff - "The President's team came here unprepared for trial"

[crickets]

42. Truth hurts. He is so right.

[Arkansas Granny]

45. Which points to the fact that they already knew the fix was in.

[BumRushDaShow]

46. Yup.

[crickets]

55. +1

[crickets]

41. Bolton's response to being asked to testify was

"I will sue you."

Schiff points out that Judge Jackson has already ruled re Executive powers - "We don't have kings here" and advisors are not immune from process. Congress does have power to subpoena and power to compel, because without that power Congress cannot truly legislate.

eta Bolton cannot at this point explain why he doesn't testify vs 'saving it for the book.' Should ask Bolton about it in person, to find out why he is willing to go before the Senate but not the House.

He is knocking it out of the park.

[Mersky]

43. VIDEO of Schiff's rebuttal

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851342/user-clip-schiffs-rebuttal


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Eta: Earlier, I posted the video that was available as it was still airing live. Here’s the entire video of Schiff’s rebuttal:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851353/user-clip-entire-video-schiffs-rebuttal

[mahatmakanejeeves]

44. For starters, the Founders would be confused by the words "phone records" and "Republican."

For starters, the Founders would be confused by the words "phone records" and "Republican."

More than that, they'd be "aghast" that Congress -- which they placed in Article I for a reason -- rolled over for a president who had so clearly abused the powers of his office.

Link to tweet

Our Founders would be “aghast” if they knew Adam Schiff released private phone records of a journalist and the top Republican on his committee.

Link to tweet

[Kali]

54. talk about a real

nasty woman.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

57. Was Blackburn tweeting during the trial in violation of Senate's trial rules?

Electronic devices were supposed to be disallowed in chambers during the trial.

Republicans care about rules only insofar as rules can be used against Democrats.

[BumRushDaShow]

47. Schiff - "There is a storm blowing through this Capital"

[Pachamama]

56. Took my breath away

And put tears in my eyes

[BumRushDaShow]

48. Schiff had a magnificent closing.

[crickets]

52. He truly is amazing. nt

[Kali]

49. I am weeping

[Hermit-The-Prog]

50. Schiff ends on powerful note and McConnell immediately calls for quorum call

[BumRushDaShow]

51. Turtle - ***QUORUM CALL***

[Arkansas Granny]

53. What's up with that? Is that a stalling technique?

[BumRushDaShow]

64. It's actually a common Senate procedure

because normally, the chamber is almost empty. So when there is Senate business that needs to be done, they do a roll call to basically call Senators back (which can take who knows how long until the leader decides they have a quorum).

[brooklynite]

66. Standard Senate technique to kill time...

[underpants]

58. That was an incredible presentation by Schiff.

Listened to it in the car.

[EndlessWire]

61. Yep. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

59. Steve Scully has mentioned that Schumer & Turtle and other leaders are caucusing

on the floor for next steps.

Apparently there is an expectation that each Senator would have up to 15 minutes for remarks which would potentially mean 25 more hours of final "debate" before the vote to convict or acquit - and the timing of that into the weekend and/or through to possible Wednesday. The issue is whether to go late tonight and into tomorrow or end now and start that tomorrow...etc.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

60. in other words, Moscow Mitch was afraid some GOPers were swayed by Schiff's words ...

He sure jumped up and spoke up fast as Schiff ended.

[Arkansas Granny]

62. I'm pretty sure their words overlapped.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

63. Mitch was scared some might -think-. Gotta browbeat 'em back in lockstep.

[EndlessWire]

65. Quorum call

"For practical purposes, a quorum call is a delaying measure that permits the Senate leadership to work out some difficulty or to await a Senator's arrival. Because of differences in procedure between the two bodies, quorum calls in the House are fairly rare, but they are quite common in the Senate."

Probably looking for Rand Paul...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

75. or could it be so many Rs out doing tweets and press, there was no quorum? ...

We know they don't have any self-restraint in breaking rules.

All the solid votes could have been out preening while only the ones susceptible to Schiff's arguments were in the chambers listening. That would both terrify and enrage Moscow Mitch.

[EndlessWire]

110. I agree. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

69. The MSNBC pundits are noting

that there are issues between the GOP factions - some want to vote now and be done and others who are in states that did vote for Drumpf, want time to explain their vote as part of a final debate until the witness vote and final vote comes...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

70. That could be the source of McConnell's fear. ...

Moscow Mitch can count. If he is uncertain of a vote, he delays; if he is certain, it happens as fast as he can arrange it.

[Mersky]

71. I noticed that.

turtle leapt into action.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

73. old snapping turtles can move fast when necessary

[Mersky]

77. And alexander is over there yakking and laughing over with Moscow Mitch's gaggle of jerks

And cornyn-hole and cruz are gabbing it up right along with em’.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

67. Aretha Franklin has a word for Republicans ...

[royable]

68. Is image resolution of the Senate video high enough for lip-readers to tell what people are saying?

In these wide-view shots that show the defense team's table at the right, it would be very interesting to know what people at the table are talking about.

[EndlessWire]

74. I wanted to know

who the CJ was talking to before he left the floor.

[EndlessWire]

72. Meanwhile, in North Korea...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/31/north-korean-government-officials-escape-across-border-key-documents/

Apparently, North Korean government officials tried to escape to CHINA. Oh, my...

Will the Repubs try to leave Washington in groups of twos and threes, hoping we won't notice?

Those that NK caught will not survive. The Repubs voting to dismantle our Democracy will just lose their jobs in November. There was never a question of punishment for treason.

[NightWatcher]

76. Claire McCaskill says the WH wants it forced through now/tonight

Mitch wants it debated Monday or Tuesday and voted Wednesday or so.

prez wants to spike the football on the Super Bowl interview and in the SOTU.

She was reading a text from a senator on air about what they're arguing about.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

78. So, Moscow Mitch still wants the -appearance- of a trial?

[crickets]

80. All the Senators want a 15 minute spot on the Senate floor

to 'explain' their vote to the folks back home. They want a statement on the record and it will take until next week to run through all 100 Senators.

[crickets]

79. WH wants the superbowl moment.

Looks like he may not get it, boo hoo. The fate of the country is in the balance and cheetolini can't stop tantrumming about his $10M ad and pregame photo ops.

[budkin]

81. Too bad, there's too much new shit now

Not happening.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

82. coming back

[BumRushDaShow]

83. ****BACK IN SESSION****

[BumRushDaShow]

84. Turtle - will cast vote on witness and then go into recess subject to call of chair

[backtoblue]

85. "They just scattered like a raid commercial"

Brian Williams.

[BumRushDaShow]

86. ***ROLL CALL FOR WITNESSES***

[Hermit-The-Prog]

89. you hearing a bunch of "aye"s?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

91. nevermind. forgot it was alphabetical, not party

[BumRushDaShow]

87. Collins did do an AYE

[Mersky]

88. Here we go

[BumRushDaShow]

90. Jones did do an AYE

[BumRushDaShow]

92. Manchin did do an AYE

[Mersky]

95. Well, thank goodness for that

Was a meek, no, from murkowski - is gross

[BumRushDaShow]

102. Yes - ALL (D)s and (I)s who caucus with (D)s, voted for witnesses

[BumRushDaShow]

93. Romney did an AYE

[BumRushDaShow]

94. Sinema did an AYE

[BumRushDaShow]

96. ***COUNT 51 - 49 AGAINST WITNESSES****

[crickets]

98. ...

[underpants]

106. I'm guessing Romney and Collins voted Yes.

[BumRushDaShow]

97. ***RECESS SUBJECT TO CALL OF CHAIR***

[Kali]

105. do you have any idea what that means?

do you think they will reconvene tonight?

[Backseat Driver]

99. GOP are abortionists of justice, due process, and rule of law!

Your America lives depend on your vote!

[blogslut]

100. We expected them to block witnesses and documents

...that doesn't make it any less fucked up.

[crickets]

101. Schumer has described the actions of the Senate as a perfidy

and Claire McCaskill objects to him using that word. I think she's wrong. It was exactly the word to use: state of being faithless or disloyal : treachery. Covers it quite well for a governmental body that has betrayed its own duties and in doing so betrayed the country.

[EndlessWire]

108. I agree. n/t

[Hermit-The-Prog]

103. Why wouldn't the Senate subpoena documents? . . .

If the Senate issued a subpoena for documents from any department of the administration, Trump would order the department to defy the subpoena and that would be conclusive proof of article 2 of impeachment, obstruction of Congress.

Moscow Mitch is despiccable but he's not stupid.

[BumRushDaShow]

104. ****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/31/20 THREAD 3**** UP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212935730

(since this thread is getting a bit long)

[Mersky]

107. Schumer called this 'trial' without witnesses and documents a perfidy, and I completely agree.

Merriam Webster:

perfidy noun
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per·​fi·​dy | ˈpər-fə-dē
plural perfidies
Definition of perfidy
1 : the quality or state of being faithless or disloyal : TREACHERY
2 : an act or an instance of disloyalty
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perfidy

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Dictionary.com:
perfidy[ pur-fi-dee ]SHOW IPA
SEE SYNONYMS FOR perfidy ON THESAURUS.COM
noun, plural per·fi·dies.
deliberate breach of faith or trust; faithlessness; treachery:
perfidy that goes unpunished.
an act or instance of faithlessness or treachery.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/perfidy

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Wikipedia:

In the context of war, perfidy is a form of deception in which one side promises to act in good faith (such as by raising a flag of truce) with the intention of breaking that promise once the unsuspecting enemy is exposed (such as by coming out of cover to attack the enemy coming to take the "surrendering" prisoners into custody). Perfidy constitutes a breach of the laws of war and so is a war crime, as it degrades the protections and mutual restraints developed in the interest of all parties, combatants and civilians.

As of 5:00 pm CT 1/31/20: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidy

[crickets]

109. +1