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babylonsister

(171,090 posts)
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 08:51 AM Jan 2020

Senate Republicans Shaken by Bolton Revelations

https://politicalwire.com/2020/01/27/senate-republicans-shaken-by-bolton-revelations/

Senate Republicans Shaken by Bolton Revelations
January 27, 2020 at 6:44 am EST By Taegan Goddard


Playbook: “Republicans have done a good job during this process projecting confidence in their mastery of the situation, and their ability to deliver for the president.”

“But as of late Sunday, our GOP sources said they could not predict what was going to happen now with witnesses, and the Republican Conference lunch today will be key in determining the state of play. In other words, these top-level sources were allowing that things may have changed. We have yet to see if Republicans will brush off this new development, or whether it will push enough of them to vote for witnesses.”

“Bolton is not Lev Parnas or one of these other characters who has sprouted up in the Trump era. He’s a through-and-through conservative who was so far to the right that George W. Bush had to wait for recess to make him his U.N. envoy. He’s known to members of the Senate.”

“Here’s the dilemma for Republicans now: If you’re one of the Republicans who were already uncomfortable with this president, how do you vote to not call Bolton after seeing this? Remember: Bolton is publishing an entire book, and so far we know only what he’s said on Ukraine — not everything else he’s seen.”
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Senate Republicans Shaken by Bolton Revelations (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2020 OP
I'm sure they'll all be "gravely concerned" as they continue to vote for no witnesses. bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #1
They may even issue a press release! getagrip_already Jan 2020 #26
Shaken not stirred . . . Iliyah Jan 2020 #2
Best post of the year!... First Speaker Jan 2020 #22
Yep! ancianita Jan 2020 #23
Lol. Exactly JDC Jan 2020 #25
We are at a point, where I'm assuming they know it's true, dewsgirl Jan 2020 #3
Exactly. I'm surprised so many here ... Whiskeytide Jan 2020 #6
Here's the question DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #16
All of that is true except that trump CAN hurt ... Whiskeytide Jan 2020 #20
They aren't going to "see the light" D23MIURG23 Jan 2020 #30
You are correct moose65 Jan 2020 #12
Not when you represent a Red state. bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #18
What would be the point of supporting Trump Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #27
The only thing repugs think about these days is... Hotler Jan 2020 #13
Not "shaken" enough to do the right thing, though. GoCubsGo Jan 2020 #4
People have already testified about this, and it's already substantiated bluedye33139 Jan 2020 #5
They can either hear what he has to say now, or be called out on their cover up later. Zolorp Jan 2020 #7
Even if they hear Bolton's testimony Ohiogal Jan 2020 #8
Hoping for a house manager presser on this Watchfoxheadexplodes Jan 2020 #9
Those pearls will undergo another round of severe clutching but that will probably be the extent of yellowcanine Jan 2020 #10
Yeah, sure sure.... Coventina Jan 2020 #11
Shaken, not stirred to action. NCLefty Jan 2020 #14
+1 denem Jan 2020 #31
K&R⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Jan 2020 #15
The only think they're shook about gratuitous Jan 2020 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #19
Yes, the real question, what does Bolton know about the relationship between trump and... NeoGreen Jan 2020 #21
..Senators are running out of Toro Ballistics..... Toorich Jan 2020 #24
Isn't this the point where there are only 2 choices. Vote for witnesses or kiss your a$$ goodbye? usaf-vet Jan 2020 #28
If Bolton testifies, Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #29
K&R! n/t PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #32
They are like James Bond martinis Generic Brad Jan 2020 #33

getagrip_already

(14,837 posts)
26. They may even issue a press release!
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:55 AM
Jan 2020

But that would be a nuclear option to them. They won't go there unless it s a very concerning incident.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
3. We are at a point, where I'm assuming they know it's true,
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:01 AM
Jan 2020

even before the Bolton revelation. They know it's true, and they just don't give a shit. He could mow down a whole field of people, and they would still defend him.

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
6. Exactly. I'm surprised so many here ...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:07 AM
Jan 2020

... are hoping republicans will “come around” and “see how wrong they’ve been”, and finally “see the light”.

Every last one of them already knows exactly what that orange piece of llama shit did.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
16. Here's the question
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:45 AM
Jan 2020

Is this enough to make Rs think they would be better off with president Pence than Trump?

The fact is, they'll get most of the same policies and judges from Pence that they do from Trump. Once Trump is convicted, he can't hurt them since he will be banned from ever holding a federal office again. Pence is unlikely to win his own term, but McConnell can do the same amount - or more - damage in the next 10 months as with Trump.

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
20. All of that is true except that trump CAN hurt ...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jan 2020

... them if he’s removed. His base is loyal to HIM, not to the party. He knows this, and so do they. If he is removed, his tendency toward vengeance will be to burn them all down by encouraging the base to abandon them. They will lose primaries by the dozens, and will lose general elections in even greater numbers.

His 30% base translates to about 60% of the party’s electorate. He owns the Republican Party. They might hate him. But they need him. It’s just math.

D23MIURG23

(2,850 posts)
30. They aren't going to "see the light"
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jan 2020

They are worried about two things: getting reelected, and how history judges them (and I'm not so sure about the second one).

The calculus is about whether they will regret following dump into flagrant corruption.

moose65

(3,168 posts)
12. You are correct
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jan 2020

They know that he did everything he's been accused of, and they just don't give a shit.

What is strange to me, though, is that usually Republicans are all about making themselves look good, and of course, winning re-election. I'm surprised that one of them hasn't figured out that he or she would be a "hero" to many people if they bucked Trump. All it would take is one - once some others see the reaction, they might jump on the anti-Trump bandwagon too.

Probably just wishful thinking on my part....

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
18. Not when you represent a Red state.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:47 AM
Jan 2020

Voting to convict Trump would mean an immediate primary and defeat from a Trump-supporting candidate.

Mr.Bill

(24,319 posts)
27. What would be the point of supporting Trump
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:57 AM
Jan 2020

if he's been removed from office, shown to be a crook and is indicted in several states for numerous crimes?

Hotler

(11,445 posts)
13. The only thing repugs think about these days is...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:31 AM
Jan 2020

screwing over the Libtards and making sure they don't get a win.

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
4. Not "shaken" enough to do the right thing, though.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:02 AM
Jan 2020

I'm not holding my breath that the Bolton stuff is going to change things.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
5. People have already testified about this, and it's already substantiated
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:02 AM
Jan 2020

Trump wanted to use the military aid as leverage to force Ukraine to hold a public announcement smearing Joe Biden.

The ambassador to the EU testified to this. Direct eyewitness testimony that this was the plan. Explicit testimony that the request was for an announcement and not an investigation.

If they can ignore that testimony, they can ignore Bolton.

I believe that the House of Representatives should begin new hearings if the Senate does not take this up.

 

Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
7. They can either hear what he has to say now, or be called out on their cover up later.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:08 AM
Jan 2020

Either way this is coming out in full once the book hits the stands.

Ohiogal

(32,057 posts)
8. Even if they hear Bolton's testimony
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:11 AM
Jan 2020

They will just say what Dump did was “troubling “ ... but not “impeachable”.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
10. Those pearls will undergo another round of severe clutching but that will probably be the extent of
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:13 AM
Jan 2020

it. I don't see this as significantly altering the total Republican denial narrative.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. The only think they're shook about
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:46 AM
Jan 2020

Is how to get through a statement about how they don't want any more evidence and testimony because Trump's so totally innocent without looking completely foolish. "Try it again, Senator. But more forcefully. With conviction. Whoops, forget I said that word. Try it again."

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
21. Yes, the real question, what does Bolton know about the relationship between trump and...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:30 AM
Jan 2020

...Putin?

Side note, what has the world come to where we are cheering the early release of a book by John Bolton?

Toorich

(391 posts)
24. ..Senators are running out of Toro Ballistics.....
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jan 2020

.... and they are now relying on Fowl Projectiles.....

(Bullshit to Chickenshit)

usaf-vet

(6,207 posts)
28. Isn't this the point where there are only 2 choices. Vote for witnesses or kiss your a$$ goodbye?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jan 2020

My guess is the evidence is only going to get worse and there will be no turning back if you vote to let the treasonous con man continue in office.

When the Bolton book is published or when the investigative reporter's dig out the truthful facts of tRump's 3-year reign of lawlessness you aren't going to be able to say "I didn't know if only I had known" excuse won't fly.

Mr.Bill

(24,319 posts)
29. If Bolton testifies,
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jan 2020

he will refuse to answer questions on this matter (and many others) claiming national security concerns.

And don't be surprised if it doesn't wind up in the book, either.

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