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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:55 AM Jan 2020

Chris Hayes on MSNBC just said that this is an absolute bomb detonating across Washington tonight

Before his interview with Sen. Warren and during his interview with Michael Schmidt. Called it the biggest revelation of the whole saga apart from news of the call, itself. My question to you is: Do you think it shakes 50 or 51 votes free in the senate for witnesses and delays the planned acquittal party next week at all?

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Chris Hayes on MSNBC just said that this is an absolute bomb detonating across Washington tonight (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Jan 2020 OP
Crap! Hayes was on tonight? MontanaMama Jan 2020 #1
Yeah! Was surprised to see him! NewsCenter28 Jan 2020 #2
Thx. Will check it out. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #5
im just the opposite..i want the Kobe news to totally disrupt the hearings.. samnsara Jan 2020 #56
Lord. Good point. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #63
During the impeachment process 2naSalit Jan 2020 #13
Consider this - DURHAM D Jan 2020 #3
Not a stretch at all 2naSalit Jan 2020 #15
✔️ blm Jan 2020 #17
I know you didn't mean it to be funny... MontanaMama Jan 2020 #18
I'm jaded enough to have already assumed that. dchill Jan 2020 #35
Did Bolton ever publicly praise the assassination? Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #37
Yes Bolton put out a statement in praise wishstar Jan 2020 #51
So he cares about Ukraine shakedown, but not pure assassination? Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #64
Bolton also cared more about his book deal $$$ than cooperating with House investigation wishstar Jan 2020 #66
Well if he was only thinking about himself plus what Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #69
Precisely malaise Jan 2020 #58
Sorry, I haven't been online...what is the bomb? nt wcmagumba Jan 2020 #4
John Bolton's book "The room where it happened" NewsCenter28 Jan 2020 #6
Hardly. They don't deny this question everything Jan 2020 #11
Trump is denying Bolton's assertions and has put out tweets that Bolton is lying wishstar Jan 2020 #52
Thank you for the explanation! Rhiannon12866 Jan 2020 #44
Who is Toad? arthritisR_US Jan 2020 #48
"The Room Where It Happened" is the title of Bolton's book?! csziggy Jan 2020 #62
K and R Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #7
An acquittal next week would be a massive cover-up madaboutharry Jan 2020 #8
I think this might be correct. Volaris Jan 2020 #14
Republicans are backed into a corner C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #27
I'm waiting for the day Donald Trump rues his own entry into the White House. Dem2theMax Jan 2020 #33
He'd rue it a lot more if he'd known the rubes were dumber than him. czarjak Jan 2020 #38
Bombs away!! Jade Fox Jan 2020 #9
Senators can't be impeached. redstateblues Jan 2020 #16
True. They can only be expelled from the Senate by a 2/3 vote of the Senate. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2020 #19
Was that ever made settled law? unc70 Jan 2020 #24
Senators can be expelled from the Senate. marble falls Jan 2020 #26
But they can be voted OUT. calimary Jan 2020 #30
Kick. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #10
I don't see how Bolton's statement in his book is any more damning than the mountain mucifer Jan 2020 #12
Very inside eyewitness. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2020 #20
The eyewitness the GOP says the Dems lack, plus the eyewitness is a conservative icon! tableturner Jan 2020 #21
An icon with a PAC that supports GOP candidates, too DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #22
Yep...can't call him a lefty. tableturner Jan 2020 #23
But wouldn't this be true of Sondland too? spooky3 Jan 2020 #36
They'll just make up another excuse. It's wack a mole. dem4decades Jan 2020 #46
It's a first hand account and then he's gonna say Mulvaney said this and Pomass said that. Opening UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #31
agreed. there may be added detail here. stopdiggin Jan 2020 #32
Other evidence is not as direct as Trump telling Bolton why he wants aid frozen wishstar Jan 2020 #53
What's the "this"? marble falls Jan 2020 #25
Bolton's book outline leaked to NYT, confirms Trump extortion of Ukraine. nt SunSeeker Jan 2020 #41
Nothing will change the votes because nothing will change his voter base that they need. Kablooie Jan 2020 #28
I think the GOP Senators stupidly think their bogus acquittal is going to "Save" them EveHammond13 Jan 2020 #29
Won't change a thing in the Senate. wnylib Jan 2020 #34
I agree. EndlessWire Jan 2020 #40
My main concern about public opinion now wnylib Jan 2020 #42
Hayes has Schmidt on right now Sedona Jan 2020 #39
I don't think any of this will get Trump out of office any sooner... yuiyoshida Jan 2020 #43
None of it makes a difference to them. They moonscape Jan 2020 #45
Bolton knows Trump is lying. UCmeNdc Jan 2020 #47
Every senator knows full well Trump is lying. That's not their criteria. Kablooie Jan 2020 #49
Wondering what Bolton's true motivations are for publishing the book. lindysalsagal Jan 2020 #50
I don't understand either because he should've know WH would try to block his book wishstar Jan 2020 #54
How many "absolute bomb" stories have... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #55
My bet- War with iran or Nk this week. James48 Jan 2020 #57
DUers have been predicting war with Iran or NK since the first day Trump took office. bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #59
Probably not this week, month or year DFW Jan 2020 #61
Well Trump might attack California Zorro Jan 2020 #67
You drop the bomb on Mei, babeh. You drop the bomb on Mei. NCLefty Jan 2020 #60
Tbh, I think the idea of any evidence mattering is futile. Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jan 2020 #65
K&R! n/t PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #68

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
2. Yeah! Was surprised to see him!
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:58 AM
Jan 2020

All of the regular weekday anchors are working 24/7 until this trial gets straightened out on both CNN and MSNBC, btw.

I think he'll probably be repeated a couple more times this evening, most likely.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
5. Thx. Will check it out.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:00 AM
Jan 2020

I turned off MSNBC because the Kobe news was so damned depressing. This gives us something to look forward to tomorrow. 🤞

samnsara

(17,635 posts)
56. im just the opposite..i want the Kobe news to totally disrupt the hearings..
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 07:40 AM
Jan 2020

...im in rears the whole time i watch the coverage but at least when they talked about the good things Kobe did it was refreshing that someone was doing something good for someone!

Im honestly just now knowing him other than the name recognition he had. Im mourning as a mother not a sports fan..I cant even imagine the pain his wife is feeling...or the pain the other parent is going through..losing a spouse and a child.

Joe went through this

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
13. During the impeachment process
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:11 AM
Jan 2020

MSNBC seems to have dedicated most of its time covering and providing analysis and fact checking everything that is said by everyone and all hands are on deck with rotating schedules and coverage that flows from one show to the next with extra replays of some. The replays go on well into the wee hours on weeknights and weekends right now.

Far as I can tell, they are doing a good job of trying to inform the public of what's happening and what it means. They are living up to their mission and I appreciate it.

Of course tonight there's continuing coverage of Kobe Bryant's passing that's taking up 70% of the time right now.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
18. I know you didn't mean it to be funny...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:18 AM
Jan 2020

But this post made me laugh SO hard....I woke my dog up. 😳

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
66. Bolton also cared more about his book deal $$$ than cooperating with House investigation
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 07:58 PM
Jan 2020

He made sure to keep quiet clinching his book deal before turning over book to WH and then agreeing to testify to Senate (knowing that WH would claim that if subpoened they would claim executive privilege so it would never happen)

But seems Bolton didn't count on his book details getting leaked out by anonymous moles in WH and throwing a wrench in all the Repubs schemes.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
69. Well if he was only thinking about himself plus what
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:23 PM
Jan 2020

an asshole trump is, then leaking might be a great idea? Heard he was going out, not aligned with establishment Republcan party...never gonna have a high powered govt job again ( because Republicans won't be in power), just thinking about retirement and $ to sustain his life style.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
6. John Bolton's book "The room where it happened"
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:00 AM
Jan 2020

Was leaked to the NYT. Toad personally pressured him 11 times to deny Ukraine aid until, specifically, Ukraine investigated the Bidens for corruption. Case closed! GUILTY!

question everything

(47,531 posts)
11. Hardly. They don't deny this
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:10 AM
Jan 2020

Mulvaney even told us to “grow up.” They just claim that this is nor an impeachable offense. It is like all his supporters just don’t care about his lies and vulgarity ang grabbing... as long as he wa nor Hillary. And not anyone else.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
52. Trump is denying Bolton's assertions and has put out tweets that Bolton is lying
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 06:46 AM
Jan 2020

Trump's lawyers in Senate trial have asserted that he did not withhold aid for investigations of Biden and have been floating other excuses such as looking into corruption, wanting other countries to pay more to help Ukraine, etc.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
62. "The Room Where It Happened" is the title of Bolton's book?!
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:10 AM
Jan 2020

Seriously? I thought that only Randy Rainbow borrowed that title! I suspect Bolton stole it from Randy who used it Jul 21, 2017.

madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
8. An acquittal next week would be a massive cover-up
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:03 AM
Jan 2020

that will look like something straight out of the old Soviet system or a banana republic. I really do believe the public will not stand for it.

Donald Trump will rue the day he allowed John Bolton to set foot inside The White House.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
14. I think this might be correct.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:12 AM
Jan 2020

As much as I despise the neocon warmonger, he knows how the game is SUPPOSED to be played (i.e., you dont say the quiet parts out loud, and you cover your ass)

Trump has no idea and doesnt care.

Jade Fox

(10,030 posts)
9. Bombs away!!
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:03 AM
Jan 2020

If this doesn't get the votes, every single Republican Senator needs to be impeached themselves

unc70

(6,117 posts)
24. Was that ever made settled law?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:39 AM
Jan 2020

I am familiar with the case of Sen William Blount. By the time his impeachment reached the Senate, he had already been expelled from the Senate, making impeachment moot in his case.

calimary

(81,451 posts)
30. But they can be voted OUT.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:57 AM
Jan 2020

Hopefully in a large enough number that we get the Senate back.

And then, say goodbye to rubber-stamping all those knuckledragger judges and packing the courts from coast to coast. Say goodbye to ol’ Moscow. Even if he survives the next election, if WE take back the Senate he won’t have the power of the Majority Leader anymore. He won’t be able to obstruct anymore, at least with much of a punch. He’ll be a has-been, but might still present a nuisance.

And there could be Senate investigations.

Plus, all those bills the House passed and then got buried in the Senate? No more of THAT CRAP either. Things we’ve been kept from doing, we can get done - particularly if we take back the White House also.

mucifer

(23,562 posts)
12. I don't see how Bolton's statement in his book is any more damning than the mountain
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:11 AM
Jan 2020

of evidence they already have including trumps own statements on tape.

spooky3

(34,472 posts)
36. But wouldn't this be true of Sondland too?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:11 AM
Jan 2020

I don’t think anything will shake the GOP senators or the base, short of economic disaster that directly strikes them.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
31. It's a first hand account and then he's gonna say Mulvaney said this and Pomass said that. Opening
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:00 AM
Jan 2020

up a whole can of worms.

stopdiggin

(11,358 posts)
32. agreed. there may be added detail here.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:03 AM
Jan 2020

but the story remains essentially unchanged. what's the big deal here?

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
53. Other evidence is not as direct as Trump telling Bolton why he wants aid frozen
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 06:48 AM
Jan 2020

Only Bolton is giving clear unequivocal one on one direct first hand evidence.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
28. Nothing will change the votes because nothing will change his voter base that they need.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:54 AM
Jan 2020

Trump is an absolute unblemished god to his followers and absolutely nothing will change them.
Anything he does, no matter how heinous or evil, is good and holy in their eyes.

To vote against him is to throw your Republican senatorship down the drain and none of them are brave enough to to it.

 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
29. I think the GOP Senators stupidly think their bogus acquittal is going to "Save" them
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:55 AM
Jan 2020

I think they have no idea that things are not going to peaches and cream afterwards.

wnylib

(21,601 posts)
34. Won't change a thing in the Senate.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:08 AM
Jan 2020

This trial is not about a search for the truth. They (Senators) know the truth. The trial is about developing the right GOP spin on the truth that will protect Trump from removal. From the perspective of Senate Pubs, the ONLY thing that matters is maintaining power, at all costs. Nothing will move them from that position. Many of them actually do believe that it is ok to use any trick in the book (or outside of it) to smear an opponent. Therefore, even with proof of what Trump did, it is not an impeachable offense in their minds.

The only thing to be accomplished by news like Bolton's book is the effect on public opinion, not on the Senators, whose position is set in stone.

EndlessWire

(6,563 posts)
40. I agree.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:41 AM
Jan 2020

But, it would help to perhaps embarrass them further, so when they vote to acquit, they will be fully informed about their place in history.

I would suggest that Trump already has their balls on pikes, and long ago...

wnylib

(21,601 posts)
42. My main concern about public opinion now
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:56 AM
Jan 2020

is apathy. Not everyone follows news and politics like DUers. Trump's dedicated followers will remain strong defenders of him. People like us will remain opponents and active resisters.

What about the rest? The people who did not follow the impeachment hearings and are not following the trial? They see headlines, get snippets on TV. Will they be indifferent and too concerned about their daily lives to see what's happening and take a stand?

yuiyoshida

(41,858 posts)
43. I don't think any of this will get Trump out of office any sooner...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:56 AM
Jan 2020

Trump wants to be the first KING of this country... and has the power to shut down elections. He says he wants to be dear leader for life.. and than let his sons take over this country like a business...after he is dead.

He is insane but the worst of the worst are his fans who adore him like a God-King. You won't shake them off him, even if he left public life. If he died tomorrow, they would erect a statue to him the very next day.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
45. None of it makes a difference to them. They
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:13 AM
Jan 2020

know the facts already and are in too deep to risk rocking the boat. No way is there an ounce of courage or morality in any of them.

Mostly I walk around trying to find a dumpster big enough to receive a fraction of the disgust that neber leaves me these days.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
49. Every senator knows full well Trump is lying. That's not their criteria.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:09 AM
Jan 2020

They will vote to keep support from Trump's base.
Only if Trumps base turned on him would they change their vote and that's not going to happen.
Trump is God on Earth to those people.

lindysalsagal

(20,727 posts)
50. Wondering what Bolton's true motivations are for publishing the book.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 06:41 AM
Jan 2020

Love to know how much $$ he's making off this political disaster. He's no hero.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
54. I don't understand either because he should've know WH would try to block his book
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 07:00 AM
Jan 2020

He could have just obeyed Congress subpoena and fully testified to Congress and still done a book deal. Loyal Trump cultists weren't going to buy his book anyway knowing that he resigned in protest over Trump. By sending book to WH for vetting he surely knew he would face wrath of Trump and attempts to silence him plus likelihood of leaks where Trump would call him a liar making him unpopular with Trump's base.

Lots of speculation now that Trump's hit on Iranian general that came 3 days after WH got his book draft was no coincidence since it pleased Bolton who has publicly praised the hit. Wouldn't put it past Trump to have thought he could get Bolton to back down on his claims in the book if he got tougher on Iran.

Mike Nelson

(9,966 posts)
55. How many "absolute bomb" stories have...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 07:39 AM
Jan 2020

... been detonated about Crooked Donald? Maybe weekly? Republicans won't care... (however, I do like the "bombs" and they will continue).

James48

(4,440 posts)
57. My bet- War with iran or Nk this week.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 07:55 AM
Jan 2020

Big wag the dog is needed.

What will the distraction be? Cause it has to be big.

Bigly big.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
61. Probably not this week, month or year
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:03 AM
Jan 2020

Republican administrations consistently prove themselves to be cowards

Reagan attacked the Caribbean Island of Grenada
Bush I attacked Panama
Bush Jr. attacked Iraq because Rumsfeld and Cheney lied to him ("Maybe six days, maybe six weeks, certainly not six months" ). It was a miscalculation, not a change in policy.

Republicans do NOT attack countries they KNOW will shoot back. Iran and NK would shoot back.

Zorro

(15,749 posts)
67. Well Trump might attack California
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 08:41 PM
Jan 2020

That would probably shore up a lot of his base. Even the ones in California.

65. Tbh, I think the idea of any evidence mattering is futile.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:11 PM
Jan 2020

A - The Republicans have a Senate Majority
B - Mitch McConnell has said that he and his constituents do not care about current or future evidence. They will acquit regardless of what they hear.

There will not be any Republican defections, no matter what. The trial is already over.

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