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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:09 PM Jan 2020

Is Igor Fruman also cooperating??



Joyce Alene ✔ @JoyceWhiteVance

The story says this recording of Trump & Lev Parnas (who he’s repeatedly said he doesn’t know) talking about taking out Yovanovitch was made by Igor Fruman. Unless it was somehow in Parnas’ cache of materials, this could imply Fruman is also cooperating.

https://abcn.ws/36oVYHu
‘Take her out’: recording appears to capture Trump at private dinner saying he wants Ukraine...


11:31 AM - Jan 24, 2020




Josh Marshall ✔ @joshtpm

Appearance of that tape of Trump firing Yovanovitch isn't so much the tape as the hint that Igor Fruman is joining Parnas in turning on the President

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/keep-an-eye-on-this-12 … via @TPM
Keep An Eye On This


Josh Marshall ✔ @joshtpm

2/ Fruman made the original recording. Parnas's lawyer says the tape didn't come from his client. Fruman's lawyer declined comment. Not proof. But strongly suggests Fruman leaked it or had someone do so as intermediary.

1:16 PM - Jan 24, 2020


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Is Igor Fruman also cooperating?? (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 OP
Recommended democrank Jan 2020 #1
Nobody knooooowwwws, Dennis! Leghorn21 Jan 2020 #2
K and R. If he is, this is the first I have heard. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #3
It is all about not turning Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #4
Seems like Trump's mafia is following the Giuliani "I've got insurance" model. nt AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2020 #5
It is ALL going to come out, probably many DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #6
Pardon me, but. . . matt819 Jan 2020 #7
Look at it this way bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #8
I'm delighted to report that "Fruman" is now trending at #9! Leghorn21 Jan 2020 #9
OH how a boy can hope! HAB911 Jan 2020 #10
i think these guys have some future criming to do and trump is starting to Kurt V. Jan 2020 #11

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
2. Nobody knooooowwwws, Dennis!
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:13 PM
Jan 2020
It’s not a stretch to think Lev would have plenty of his good pal’s recordings and such, but golly, if Igor jumped into this breathless drama, well,

matt819

(10,749 posts)
7. Pardon me, but. . .
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:34 PM
Jan 2020

It doesn't really seem to matter who's cooperating. Remember all the cooperating witnesses during the Mueller investigation. Flynn is still not in jail, even though it seems he has stopped cooperating. The Trump accountant cooperated, and we've seen squat-all. Parnas is spilling beans daily, and nothing seems to be happening. Giuliani is incriminating himself and his employer every day. Nothing. Trump admitted in Davos that he has the evidence, the Dems don't have the evidence. Old news. Reports that the Russians funded Trump's Deutsche Bank loans. IOW, he reportedly owes 2 billion dollars to Russian oligarchs. I must have missed all the front page reporting on that one. Lots of ooohs and aaaahs, but then. . . crickets.

And today's "head on a pike" and "take her out" revelations? Wanna bet what happens with that? I'll go out on a limb here. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

I had taken some comfort in Frank Rich's essay that everyone eventually gets their comeuppance. You know what I think now? They won't. Collins, Lindsey, McConnell, Romney, Murkowski, et al. They will not pay a price. Shame? They have none. They. Don't. Care. Is it any wonder we're all so fucking depressed and exhausted. Well, at least I am.

My latest consolation is that some - all? - of the actions by Trump and his minions will rise to the level of criminality somewhere along the way and that the DoJ will bring charges when they are all out of office. But, despite Elizabeth Warren's assertion today that if elected she will release all impeachment-related documentation, I have a feeling that whatever Dem is elected will choose to look forward. They are going to need some awfully large rugs to sweep all this shit under. And a multi-year supply of Febreze to reduce the stink.

One more random thought. Regarding anonymous voting in the Senate (which won't happen, so this is kind of a pointless conclusion to this post). There are 53 republicans, 45 Democrats, and 2 Independents. Assume all Dems and Indepdendents vote to remove. That leaves 21 (one more than is required) republicans who need to vote to remove. Let's assume - and this is a stretch - that some republicans want him out for the same reasons we do and for others that might be personal to them. If 21 vote to remove, this will leave republicans and their personality cult in a major tizzy trying to figure out who were the 21 turncoats and who were the 32 loyalists. Every one of them could, if they liked, assert that they voted to acquit. We would know full well that 21 of them are lying, and we might never know who. It's an out. But they are likely listening to that "head on a pike" comment and will probably follow the party line, like the good little fascists that they are.

Now I'm done.

bucolic_frolic

(43,342 posts)
8. Look at it this way
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:43 PM
Jan 2020

The Trump Titanic has hit an iceberg. Trump has prevented ship's officers from investigating that loud bump, and no one is allowed below decks to look for leaks. Trouble is we're all traveling on this Ship of State.

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
9. I'm delighted to report that "Fruman" is now trending at #9!
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:53 PM
Jan 2020
”Not in my wildest dreams would I of thought I needed Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman as the John Dean of Trumpgate, on my batshit bingo card.”





Even though Lev and Igor are most likely working for Firtash/Mogilevich, I am nevertheless enjoying the little tidbits they’re sharing

Also, HANG TOUGH, AMB YOVANOVICH
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