****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/23/20 THREAD 2****

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Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212901432

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1. Sylvia Garcia (D-TX), concluded her explanation of the CT that lead to abuse of power.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

2. Thanks BumRushDaShow!

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5. You are welcome and thank you for contributing too!!

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3. ****NOW IN RECESS FOR A 15 MINUTE BREAK****

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4. and BREAK. ugh! had it on NBC and upChuck Toady spoke.

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6. LOL

I have been watching on CSPAN2 and just switched to MSNBC. If Schmuck shows up on there, I will mute!

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10. I was slow on the remote control. ...

I usually flip through the OTA (over the air) broadcast stations here, but try to hit ABC in breaks. Forgot it was on NBC for that one. I can't stand listening to Schmuck Chuck and CBS sometimes has Priebus during breaks.

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14. You should have seen me right as it was starting

I was making the thread here and hunting down streams to add and suddenly Brian Williams broke in and muted the first minute of Schiff to announce that Jim Lehrer had died. I thought I had been watching it on CSPAN2 so I was about to throw the remote across the room trying to get to CSPAN2 (it's on channel 1129 on my Comcast vs the 818 of MSNBC).

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7. ABC reported Lindsey was NOT in chamber when clip played.

[Wednesdays]

8. Uh-huh. WHY not?

They have a revolving door in the back of the chamber?

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11. Apparently Republicans don't like their own rules.

[Sancho]

9. Is there an insanity defense for impeachment?

...at this point, that's the best option for MF45...

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12. grr! ABC showing Sekulow in hall "answering" questions

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13. double grr!! PBS talking to Rick Scott!

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16. MSNBC had Schumer on about 5 minutes ago...

so I caught some of his remarks to the press then...

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18. CBS talking over Schiff

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21. Yes - that is what messed me up being on MSNBC during the break

They had done the same after Schiff started back up and then finally cut to him.

I am back on CSPAN2.

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15. local ABC broadcast doing regular programming ...

Don't know if they will come back to trial after the break.

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17. ***THEY HAVE RESUMED****

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19. Schiff is reiterating the issues of the CT charges

I was sitting here looking up at it with the volume down some and didn't realize it was live!

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20. CBS thinks O'Donnell and talkers are more important than Schiff's words

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23. That's always the issue -talking heads being insulted by being "pre-empted" by....

THE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hlthe2b]

30. CBS did that yesterday, too. Sticking with PBS, C-Span or MSNBC-NBC

[C_U_L8R]

22. The Human Hand Grenade - Rudy Giuliani

Bwahahaha. Schiff is taking no prisoners !!!

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24. "He's made a religious man out of Vladimir Putin." HA!

[Mersky]

27. Audible chuckling in the senate chamber

As well as in my living room.

[Mersky]

25. "We're talking about a very specific conspiracy theory."

Now paraphrasing: That the pResident was pursuing. It isn’t some tweet from a Ukrainian politician. We’re talking about the very specific CT that it was Ukraine that hacked into the DNC server in 2016.

Then on to quote Schiff’s comment:
“This theory was brought to you by the Kremlin.”

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26. Schiff on Russia: They are a wounded animal and thus they are a dangerous animal.

"You don't want them 'thanking God' for our President."

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28. Schiff is now going point by point from a list of what things Drumpf did

that would benefit himself.

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29. an investigation would be quiet. disinformation is noisy.

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31. Lindsey Graham was on phone? ...

irisblue reports some tweets suggesting Graham was out about half an hour and on the phone:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212901930

[Mersky]

36. Is an interesting look

Albeit relayed back by tweet. I’d like to see that in more formal reporting/article write-up.

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32. BWAH! Schiff invoking Raygun and Thatcher

and now invoking Poppy and Shrug -Examples of Republicans "working with our allies".

Added Obama to show "normal diplomacy".

[gademocrat7]

33. Brilliant!

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34. Now invoking Ghouliani... who is not part of the State Department

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35. Oh no a clip including

MOOOOOOOOOOOO

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38. dang. I missed it. May have to use my headphones for bathroom breaks.

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37. Schiff is now invoking Barr throwing Drumpf under the bus

"Didn't want anything to do with this 'drug deal' either."

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40. one thing worries me about Schiff's presentation ...

He has a tendency to characterize and simplify some statements rather than stick to verbatim quotes. The RWNJs jumped on this when he characterized Trump's "perfect" phone call as a mob boss communication; they will try it again.

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43. Well I think in this case

vs what was done with questioning people under oath, is that this is a "presentation". It's not part of any questioning and it is a more traditional thing that lawyers do for trial court.

You have to "bring the jurors along with you in the narrative of why they are there". Show them "what happened that prompted these 'charges'". And it has to be done this way so that they don't get bogged down and mired in legal cites or the technicalities of civil or criminal code.

It's interesting but sad that the biggest circus sideshow - the GOP's "legal" (in quotes) arguments - are held at a different standard but are still considered valid and "equal" to the Democrats' arguments because the GOP doesn't apologize for their scattershot nonsense and waves any criticism away - and they seem to be successful in doing that.

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46. I dread the GOP "sideshow" -- might include Gym, et. al., clips

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50. Don't know what "clips" that they have

since nothing was presented like that or shown by them during the House Impeachment Inquiry. They would really have to manufacture some Breitfart/Faux Snooze fake shit that delves into the Biden CT if they want to do a multimedia thing.

From what I am still hearing, they are supposed to present on Saturday (least TV-watched day of the week).

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52. It would be just for the noise, to please Agolf Twitler.

All the screeching from the House hearings, repeated for the entertainment of the GOP.

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53. That would require them to take the time to actually compile that

and even if they did, it would merely "validate" the Impeachment inquiry, which they refused to do during the lifetime of that investigation.

So they are truly in a quandary outside of standing up there for a couple hours to bullshit and pound the table and whine about how "unfair" it was and how they don't know why they are even there and that it should be summarily dismissed.

[ancianita]

48. Necessary and important points, thanks.

[Mersky]

39. Schiff was going through clips of testimony

Including those from Lt Col Vindman and State Dept official Kent showing their responses and explanations of how asking a foreign government to assist tRump investigate political rivals goes against official foreign policies, democratic principles, and credibility.

[Mersky]

41. Schiff is now explaining how tRump treated Zelensky like a pawn

That the new president of Ukraine wanted to be taken seriously, but tRump treated him like a pawn and undermine our own foreign policy as well as Ukraine’s.

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42. Schiff pointing out false representation of the phone call

[malaise]

45. The entire presentation is first class

Anyone who is watching or listening knows that the Con should be removed from office.

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49. Enough public paying attention to pass it on to others?

The entire electorate doesn't have to tune in, but hopefully there will be enough to counteract the disinformation of Fox and Sinclair.

Need to move the needle some more to impress the press.

[Mersky]

44. Slide showing the WH pool report for the July 25th call

That omitted all of the controversial aspects of the call. That it was “sanitized.”

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47. Schiff: "Why did they bury the record, why did they hide the record?"

"Why did they put it on a highly classified system?"

"This was covert action. It was a corrupt action and this is why they hid it. Innocent people don't act this way."

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51. dammit PBS interrupted to say they'll continue coverage

WTF? Just continue the damned coverage and quit yapping over Adam Schiff to say you'll be continuing coverage!

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54. Schiff is hammering how despite all the noise about an interest in "corruption"

there was nothing in any of the call transcripts or discussions that had anything to do with "corruption" but rather, focused on investigating a political rival, as confirmed by those who prepared the talking points and/or listened in on the calls.

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55. Schiff has concluded his remarks and now Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) is up.

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56. Lofgren is going to delve into how the corruption was carried out

[Mersky]

58. Slide of "How" tRump abused his power with "Three Official Acts"

verbatim from the body of the slide:
1. Soliciting Foreign Interference
2. Conditioning White House Meeting on Investigations
3. Conditioning Military Aid on Investigations
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Shown at the start of her section about the “how,” as opposed to focusing previously on the “object” of his scheme.

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64. Thank you for including!!

[Mersky]

67. Yw!

I’m trying to stay in here. Am enjoying listening to the compelling case they’re bringing, and I’m finding it hard to type as much.

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57. Now Lofgren is doing the detail on Ghouliani's involvement in this scheme

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59. Now here comes Parnas, Fruman, and Ghouliani!!

[Mersky]

66. Including texts between Parnas & Lutsenko

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60. Now she has invoked John Solomon's bullshit "The Hill" articles

EXPOSE THAT FRAUD!

[Mersky]

61. Yes!

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65. Last I heard

"The Hill" was "investigating" Solomon's articles.

[Mersky]

70. Yes, is some stinky business right there

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62. Lofgren has concluded her portion and was going to hand off to Val Demmings to continue

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63. Turtle has indicated that they would like to schedule a "dinner break" at 6:30 pm ET

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68. Demings: Had to talk to rudy to get anywhere on Ukraine

Mentions Volker and others, then showed a clip of Sondland’s testimony where he said that he thought that state department officials, not the pResident’s personal attorney, should work on matters related to Ukraine.

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69. Demmings bringing it home - that each one knows that their vote matters!

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71. Demmings concluded -Drumpf chose "himself" for benefit. Has now handed off to Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)

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72. Jeffries bringing some levity - a constituent whined -"Someone voted against Derek Jeter"

(and that has brought about the chuckles in the audience)

"What is more American than baseball and apple pie?"

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73. Jeffries is walking through the incidents of what was done to show the "quid pro quo"

[Mersky]

74. Slide: President Trump Conditioned an Official Oval Office Meeting on Investigations

1. Why an Oval Office meeting was critical to Ukraine
2. The pResident’s quid pro quo scheme
3. Witnesses confirmed the quid pro quo
4. US officials’ reactions confirm misconduct
5. Ukraine’s reaction confirms misconduct

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Jeffries has been going down this list supplying testimony/evidence for each item.

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75. Jeffries has now requested that since he is at a natural breaking point, then they take their break

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76. ***RECESS FOR 30 MINUTES FOR DINNER BREAK***

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78. Thanks! Catching up ...

I missed most of Lofgren, all of Demings, and most of Jeffries -- surprise visitor.

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79. Jeffries still has more to go but he said he was at a natural stopping point

so suggested that they go for the break 5 minutes before the hard stop!

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80. Caught that -- "Majority Leader, with your indulgence"

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82. LOL

[samnsara]

77. I want to see this on the Big Screen.. this legal Dream Team..Nancys decision..

..how they reacted, how they prepared. They seem to be flawless. Trump*s team is just going to yell real loud.

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81. I want to see the staff, too!

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83. PBS showing a "recorded earlier" clip of Lindsey ...

Recorded clip of a very animated, gesticulating Lindsey Graham in the hall, talking to reporters.

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84. CSPAN2 has Maze Hirono talking to press at the press mics in the hall

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85. PBS only seems to find Republicans in the hall

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86. The GOP has destroyed PBS and NPR

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87. Showing Jacketoff and Stefanik, now

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88. ****BACK IN SESSION****

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89. ****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/23/20 THREAD 3**** UP

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