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(129,118 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)crickets
(25,981 posts)Karma13612
(4,552 posts)I like some of the sentiment, but not the religious involvement.
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)Karma13612
(4,552 posts)So much for separation of church and state.
hlthe2b
(102,297 posts)Backseat Driver
(4,393 posts)or none at all save that "self,", in support of human inclusiveness.
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)you see the RW keep pushing the boundaries and then pointing to stuff like that.
Like the "holy books" of many religions, the Constitution has a whole pile of inconsistencies too. Many of us said the same "so much for 'all (men) are created equal'" (when men of color weren't included, let alone were women even considered).
ancianita
(36,098 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)(I forgot I had the TV on MSNBC - I just changed back to CSPAN2)
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)Kali
(55,014 posts)Article 2 tomorrow, then dipshit's defense, then the trial starts with witnesses and documents IF THEY LET IT
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)ancianita
(36,098 posts)irisblue
(32,982 posts)Paraphrased-- hours or a few minnutes.
Go Adam, call those wandering around fools to attention.
#PointMade
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)irisblue
(32,982 posts)Mersky
(4,982 posts)When he said that the rules call for imprisonment.
Eta: I believe he said this with a smile. Was just sitting down to watch and wanted to note the word. See Irisblues comment for further context.
crickets
(25,981 posts)irisblue
(32,982 posts)Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) Tweeted:
Rep. Schiff opens with a joke about how Chief Justice Roberts might not appreciate how rare it is for Congress members to pay attention and sit silently.
Then he notes that each day begins with the Sergeant at Arms announcing they must do so on pain of imprisonment.
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Mersky
(4,982 posts)I was just settling-in to watch, and wanted to note the word. Ill edit my comment, so it isnt so stark.
irisblue
(32,982 posts)Both the # & that it was mostly GOP.
Since I don't have cable, I don't know about the after hearing shows.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Appreciated Schiff (and you) reminding all that the Seargent at Arms does that for some reason beyond the ceremony.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Saying that the use of military aid for political gain, if proven, would be an impeachable offense.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)Kali
(55,014 posts)Abuse
Betrayal
Corruption
malaise
(269,062 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)"1972" instead of 1792
(the staff is for sure more exhausted than I am!!! )
Mersky
(4,982 posts)When a man unprincipled in private life[,] desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper . . . despotic in his ordinary demeanour known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity to join in the cry of danger to liberty to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.
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Pulled the language from a WaPo piece written by Ron Chernow - the historian who spoke at the WH correspondents dinner last year. And, who consulted on the production of the Hamilton musical.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/10/18/hamilton-pushed-impeachment-powers-trump-is-what-he-had-mind/
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)Plus Nadler read something that said "1376" instead of "1776" (and I use closed-caption on my TV so I can turn the sound down or mute and still get a gist of what is being said and the "1376" was captioned as well).
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Is a famous quote, and highly relevant.
Same goes for the 1336 stuff - am gonna have to turn on CC at times.
Eta: lol, I meant 1376. Oops
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)but in a world of twitter frenzy, let's hope it doesn't inspire memes.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Am gonna try not to feed into such.
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)Wednesdays
(17,381 posts)that prompts the Repugs to call for the entire presentation to be thrown out.
Example: Murkowski's hissy fit over a few of Nadler's comments overshadows everything else he stated.
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)ALTHOUGH with anything that is presented "for the record" in any of these chambers, they usually include a provision to allow members to "revise and extend their remarks" up to some "x" number of days after the session has concluded. So I would expect that will happen here.
ancianita
(36,098 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Ya think Republican senators can comprehend that?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)Every talking point they've spewed on Fox is being flattened by Nadler's history hammer.
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)regarding what was considered "Abuse of Power".
crickets
(25,981 posts)Nadler notes the direct contradiction with the oath of office and segues right into discussion of treason and bribery. Ouch.
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)for impeachment!!
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)is what should be used for abuse of power since a President "can't be indicted".
crickets
(25,981 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)gademocrat7
(10,660 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)crickets
(25,981 posts)Wednesdays
(17,381 posts)saying that there doesn't have to be a crime to impeach.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Lets go to the videotape!
Haha
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)Just curious.
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)refresher class on Civics and American history.
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)crickets
(25,981 posts)a means to address political abuses.
napi21
(45,806 posts)uaed in such a manner, the President can be impeached! I never knew that! Maybe the reason Nixon & Bush didn't pardon some of those I thought they should have.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)executive privilege.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)I'm enjoying Nadler's History Hammer. (Needs some musical person to do a 'cover' of Maxwell's Silver Hammer with Nadler's history lesson for GOPers).
crickets
(25,981 posts)All of the House managers have been doing a fantastic job.
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Will the Republican House Managers be prepared? Oh wait, didn't McTurtle don't want them speak. Alternative - Bondi, Cipollone, Sekulow, Starr, Ray, Purpura, Rasklin, Herschmann, Dershowitz - all of which are bat shit crazy.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)ancianita
(36,098 posts)H2O Man
(73,559 posts)I'm liking this day's hearing. And I truly enjoy reading these threads.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)H2O Man
(73,559 posts)an small piece on carrying heavy loads .....
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212896729
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)"She later received her Doctor of Jurisprudence degree from Texas Southern University Thurgood Marshall School of Law."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Garcia
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)and the issues that this current administration have manufactured in order to justify smearing a political opponent.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)Perhaps a few Senators will take notice of these details and at least ask for witnesses and documents.
BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)If anything, i consider all of this for the historical record. Because of the circumstances that they had to work with, they had to find a way to create their own precedent for presenting a case for impeachment, that would utilize the format of previous precedent, but that was adapted to the fact that there was no grand jury available to help with supplemental evidence in the face of the defending President's refusal to provide anything. Plus nowadays, you have all of these "new media", with video and audio clips, as well as texts and emails, that will somehow be transcribed, and included in the record.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,118 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)@joelockhart
Rep. Garcia is doing important ground work on Biden here. The foundation of the President's defense is he was doing his job and investigating corruption was an important part of it. She is destroying this defense here. Time well spent
2:35 PM · Jan 23, 2020·Twitter Web App
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Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)Senate Intelligence Committee, the U.S. Intelligence community (lots of Republicans and under Republican administration, Robert Mueller's report