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babylonsister

(171,073 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:34 PM Jan 2020

Calls for Pat Cipollone's Disbarment Swell After 'Brazen Lack of Candor' During Impeachment Trial


Calls for Pat Cipollone’s Disbarment Swell After ‘Brazen Lack of Candor’ During Impeachment Trial
by Colin Kalmbacher | 5:31 pm, January 22nd, 2020


Pat Cipollone, President Donald Trump‘s lead defense attorney in the Senate impeachment trial, lied to lawmakers and the world during his opening remarks on Tuesday. Now, people are calling for Cipollone to be be disbarred.

“Not even Mr. [Adam] Schiff’s Republican colleagues were allowed into the SCIF,” Cipollone said.

A SCIF is essentially a place where purportedly classified information is relayed to interested and acceptable parties. The acronym stands for Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. But, contrary to Cipollone’s assertion, Republicans were regularly allowed into the SCIF while members of the House Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs Committees heard impeachment witness testimony last year. Members from both sides of the aisle, and counsel for each party, were also allowed to ask the witnesses questions behind closed doors.

Outrage about Cipollone’s inaccurate statement went viral and many critics were quick to call for the credential-surrendering version of the White House counsel’s head.

Progressive Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) called out Cipollone’s subterfuge via Twitter.

“Cipollone must be forced by [Chief Justice John] Roberts to correct the record and apologize or face disbarment for brazen lack of candor to the tribunal in a legal proceeding,” he said. “I was in nearly every deposition and the GOP Members were always present.”


Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe echoed Raskin’s criticism and explicitly called for Cipollone to lose his license.

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Calls for Pat Cipollone's Disbarment Swell After 'Brazen Lack of Candor' During Impeachment Trial (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2020 OP
Barr first n/t shanti Jan 2020 #1
Roberts strike it? Doubt it! BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #2
Roberts is just another fucking criminal. Woodycall Jan 2020 #11
💯 live love laugh Jan 2020 #14
This was not a "mistake" by Cipollone, IMO. TruckFump Jan 2020 #3
+1000 ancianita Jan 2020 #5
Thank you! EOM TruckFump Jan 2020 #6
Oh, thank YOU! This was so well put, a lesson in how we must consider lawyer ethics. ancianita Jan 2020 #7
IOIYAAR keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #4
Cipollone's pleadings and letters have been dead giveaways. MFGsunny Jan 2020 #8
I am heartened by the loud, immediate reaction to this. crickets Jan 2020 #9
Just like the R Senators, he's testing ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #10
Yep. Republican Senators aren't getting away with that disrespect unchallenged either. crickets Jan 2020 #12
I thought he also said that Sondland said their was, "No quid pro quo" Maraya1969 Jan 2020 #13

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
3. This was not a "mistake" by Cipollone, IMO.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:47 PM
Jan 2020

I've done a lot of trial work in my day and the facts of who was investigating the matter and how the investigation was being conducted is Trial Prep 101. Anyone defending a case looks fully and clearly at the prosecution's investigation to see where the faults and weaknesses can be found. It's a knee-jerk reaction.

I highly doubt that Cipollone was "winging it" and simply did not know the mechanics of the process by which the House arrived at the Articles. No one who has any experience believes everything his or her client says UNLESS the facts support the client's statements and, thus, defense counsel had to examine the client's statements against the truth of the matter. Cipollone had to know that Trump's allegations of basically being barred from the investigation was total bullshit.

IMO, it simply was NOT a mistake on his part -- Cipollone knowingly misrepresented the facts of the matter to the tribunal before which he was appearing. If not grounds for disbarment, it is most certainly grounds for significant discipline by his licensing bar.

ancianita

(36,098 posts)
7. Oh, thank YOU! This was so well put, a lesson in how we must consider lawyer ethics.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:29 PM
Jan 2020

This lie cannot stand. It's how we got here -- lies by lawyers. Everyone in the chatting classes prefers to call them "misrepresentations" or whatever. But they are what they are -- lies. There is NO white lie or "misrepresentation" that should be ignored in a trial for the very existence of rule of law.

Even if the issue sounds like "the perfect being the enemy of the good," there is only the call to the highest standards in a profession that is, right now, influencing whether we even keep this Republic or lose it to dictatorship.

Cipollone, Sekulow, Eisenberg, Barr and Giuliani and so many others are "rule of men" lawyers for their loyalist strong man; the "rule of law" lawyers mustmust prevail for the greater good of Western law for all of us who have future generations whose lives we care about when we're gone.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
8. Cipollone's pleadings and letters have been dead giveaways.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:31 PM
Jan 2020

He has the same non-existent relationship to the truth as MF45.

Shameful and below contempt.

Full stop.

crickets

(25,981 posts)
9. I am heartened by the loud, immediate reaction to this.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 12:43 AM
Jan 2020

Last edited Thu Jan 23, 2020, 01:27 AM - Edit history (1)

It's certain this won't be Cipollone's first lie, just the first one showing he expects to get away with it. He's not getting away with it unchallenged. Good.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,356 posts)
10. Just like the R Senators, he's testing ...
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 01:11 AM
Jan 2020

I think Cipollone is testing what he can get away with, just as the Republican Senators who have vacated their seats in violation of the rules.

crickets

(25,981 posts)
12. Yep. Republican Senators aren't getting away with that disrespect unchallenged either.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 01:27 AM
Jan 2020

For now people seem to be counting their number. Naming and shaming is next, and should be loud and relentless.

Maraya1969

(22,484 posts)
13. I thought he also said that Sondland said their was, "No quid pro quo"
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:13 AM
Jan 2020

Sondland said that in a text but he testified, under oath to the opposite.

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