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hlthe2b

(102,297 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:27 PM Jan 2020

This (NEW) poll underscores the risk the GOP is taking on a sham trial (WAPO)




One of the problems that the drive to remove President Trump faces right now is the structural skew of the U.S. Senate. As Dave Wasserman puts it, the GOP Senate caucus is concentrated in states that comprise an electorate that’s more sparsely distributed, more white, more rural, and redder than the more populous states, where Democratic senators are concentrated.

That seems like it probably helps fortify Trump’s firewall of protection against removal, and even could make it more likely that GOP senators vote for a sham trial, regardless of national sentiment. But nonetheless, broadly speaking, the GOP probably runs real risks if Republican senators acquit Trump after turning his trial into a coverup, in which no new witnesses or evidence are admitted.

The Pew Research Center has a new poll out that underscores why. It’s packed with new data on public attitudes toward impeachment and shows surprising support for it among particular voter groups that Republicans probably can’t afford to alienate too deeply this year.

The Pew poll finds that 51 percent of Americans support the Senate removing Trump, while 46 percent are opposed. That’s the second poll this week — after CNN’s poll released Monday — finding that a majority backs removal.

But the Pew poll also has some surprises in the internals.


For instance: 53 percent of college-educated whites also support removal. Similarly, the CNN poll finds that 52 percent of college-educated whites supports the same.

Those are remarkable numbers, given the traditional moderate lean of this constituency, and may underscore once again the depth of alienation these voters feel from Trump. At the same time, Pew also finds that 64 percent of non-college-educated whites oppose removal, again demonstrating the deep divide Trump is driving among white voters along educational lines.
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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
1. They have a choice
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:34 PM
Jan 2020

Remove the president now and lose this next election and a decent amount of congressional seats. Or sham it up double downed, and lose a historical level of senate seats and presidency, over and over for at least a generation. I sort of hope they choose the latter -which seems quite likely.

pimpbot

(940 posts)
2. national polls are worthless
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:39 PM
Jan 2020

Until they start seeing support slip in their red states, they won't care. The senate is a tough nut to crack because the low population deep red states get just as much representation as big population centers like California. Yea I know it was designed that way but right now it puts democrats at a disadvantage.

Republicans will look for the easiest path to 51 seats and do what ever it takes to keep majority.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
5. Only worthless when there are primaries.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:22 PM
Jan 2020

For a national issue, like the impeachment they are meaningful.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
9. pimpbot has a good point.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:29 PM
Jan 2020

A lot of that "majority" is presumably in the heavily populated blue states like New York and California. The GOP Senators from the midwest don't care about them. They care what people in their own state are saying, because those are the ones that affect their chances of re-election. So while I think the number is interesting in terms of getting the pulse of the nation, it may not be so useful as an indicator of pressure on the GOP. So I guess it depends what you're trying to get out of it.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
3. MSNBC Poll has 57% of ***LIKELY VOTERS*** want removal !! This is not going well
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:01 PM
Jan 2020

... for the kGOP if polling is an indicator.

Right now FAUX News TV has a black out, if this was a positive for Benedict Donald there would be wall to wall for FAUK News

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/57percent-of-likely-voters-support-removing-trump-from-office-poll-finds/ar-BBZ9SUT?li=BBnb7Kz

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
10. I don't think FOX has ever....
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 12:09 AM
Jan 2020

given the illusion of being journalists. It's raw, naked propaganda from word one. I pretty sure even avid FOX viewers know it's propaganda as well. Everyone else sure knows it.

bucolic_frolic

(43,191 posts)
6. Continuation of the trend from 2018
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:12 PM
Jan 2020

no bounce in store for GOP, but we still have work to do to put them away

coti

(4,612 posts)
7. Poll numbers showing any majority (50+%) of Americans wanting the President REMOVED from office
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:18 PM
Jan 2020

is a huge deal, folks. It's not just disapproval, or they don't like or they disagree with the guy. A majority of Americans believe- know, even- Trump is SO bad that they want him THROWN OUT OF THE JOB.

FIRED, for lack of a better term.

That is not an easy majority to get and it is highly significant. Numbers like these are a big part of what allows me to maintain my faith that we're going to get through this.

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