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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/22/20 THREAD 3****
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212897293
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212897834
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)monmouth4
(9,709 posts)but you have done an awesome job on these threads. Thank you again.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,398 posts)I would have missed the first hour if not for your 1st thread -- confused myself over my time zone.
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,398 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,398 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)and it will be interesting to see her take - perhaps the history of the process.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)This is a very disciplined man
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,398 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)Schiff is now continuing with the timeline.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)If not the in chambers during discovery, introduction of evidence and argument, they have forfeited their rights as jurors.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)woodsprite
(11,923 posts)You know, to make sure nothing bad gets released from Ukraine.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)(I can imagine him reading books to his kids like that when they were little )
underpants
(182,866 posts)Today has been all about the Rudy. Given Rudy's want for attention he's likely to take the bait. Given his completely being out of control it could be a goldmine.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)(I understand that he was already under investigation - would be interesting if a grand jury ever gets empaneled for that if it isn't already)
Mersky
(4,986 posts)From the pResidents personal attorney/operative.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)including all the texts between the state department folks and Ghouliani.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)Grown2Hate
(2,013 posts)Republicans. Makes me sick.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)to reduce nuclear proliferation and in exchange we would ensure their border integrity (which includes the aid that we continue to give them today). And now we went back on our word and Russia invaded and took over Crimea.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Broken promises and leaving an ally vulnerable
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,398 posts)J u d y W o o d r u f f p o n d e r o u s l y p r o c l a i m i n g w e w i l l t a k e y o u l i v e t o t h e S e n a t e f l o o r
Should've been trying to stream it. Missed about 2 minutes for that ego trip.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)Talking about the environment around Ukraine that could be nothing but being under "pressure" to do our bidding.
ancianita
(36,130 posts)gademocrat7
(10,665 posts)dem4decades
(11,301 posts)We suck, our word is shit.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)Just those couple sentences that he dropped out there, cleared up so much about "why" our funding for Ukraine was a "U.S. interest".
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)nolabear
(41,990 posts)I cant believe the GOP is protecting this beast.
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)Trusted again unless we the people vote like our lives depend it. We have been smeared. Putin must love this.
dem4decades
(11,301 posts)better
(884 posts)Satch59
(1,353 posts)Schiff is going day by day and placing key slides/videos in. There is no way anyone watching this can dispute the core of these charges... unless youre GOP cowards sitting there...
Man oh man...Schiff is just brilliant!!
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)How they showing this evidence all over again there it is. Schiff is so good. and he is presenting his case so well. I wish more people are tuned in our democracy is in peril
Botany
(70,559 posts)Sadly but for now the senate gop will still walk lockstep with Moscow Mitch but history
is going to be a merciless judge to these traitor supporters.
Simple choice are you gonna be pro Trump or pro America? You can't be both.
From wiki
Schiff was born in Framingham, Massachusetts, the son of Edward and Sherrill Ann (Glovsky) Schiff.[1] He was raised in a Jewish family, and moved to Danville, California, during high school.[2] He graduated from Monte Vista High School in 1978[3] and received a Bachelor of Arts in political science from Stanford University in 1982 and a Juris Doctor from Harvard Law School in 1985.[4]
After law school, Schiff served as a law clerk for Judge William Matthew Byrne Jr. of the United States District Court for the Central District of California.[5] From 1987 to 1993, he was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Office of the United States Attorney for the Central District of California.[6] While in this position, Schiff came to public attention when he prosecuted the case against Richard Miller, a former FBI agent who was convicted of spying for the Soviet Union.[7] The first trial resulted in a hung jury; the second trial resulted in a conviction that was overturned on appeal.[8] Miller was convicted in a third trial.
elleng
(131,067 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Thank heavens he's on our side.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)It just blows the mind that they got so cocky about it that Mulvaney would say it out loud.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,398 posts)Dumbass Donnie kept the pressure on long enough for Putin to discover if there is a price that can lead to corrupting Ukraine.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)is aired..the Democratic Managers have done ALL this with what limited information they have been given..I will harken back to Rick Wilson's description of this admin."is like a fecal iceberg"...melting - melting...
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)Each speaker has been walking through the entire event chronologically - so we are now nearing the current timeframe (this past fall).
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)None of this was new information, but still it's riveting listening to him lay it all out.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)and noted that Bolton left.
hlthe2b
(102,337 posts)elleng
(131,067 posts)and that's all for tonight.
crickets
(25,982 posts)a proper reason to classify a document." Boom, there it is.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)to withhold the whistleblower's complaint. The answer is obvious: no. The answer they were going to get from Barr was also obvious. Barr would be willing to claim whatever Trump wanted him to.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)ancianita
(36,130 posts)I've heard it in variations, but Schiff's version shows the relentless, vulgar banality and casual cruelty as "policy." A whole new way of seeing chronic corruption.
How any of the Republican senators can remain unmoved, I can't understand.
All he can do is appeal to their highest morality. "Do you want to know the whole truth, now? Do you want to know how broad this scheme was? " Only eventually? Or now? It is within your power to do so. Because the public has a right to know."
Schiff is the embodiment of politics as an art.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Fear they will be flushed out of their cushy jobs right on to their fat asses. They sold their morality the minute the registered as Republicans.
ancianita
(36,130 posts)selfish power over them.
You've nailed it. They have to face their fear and still do the right thing for the country.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)ancianita
(36,130 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Schiff said as he emphasized that giuliani began the smear campaign against Yovanovitch in March of 2019.
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)Because she's a intelligent woman. Just like Blasey-Ford
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)My Pet Orangutan
(9,292 posts)ecstatic
(32,727 posts)want to hear from witnesses because they're not interested in sending any other republicans to jail? I find it interesting that Schiff said they should want to know how far the corruption goes.
ancianita
(36,130 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)that funded all of these GOP elected officials and thus the problem with them bucking (biting) the hand that fed them.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)dweller
(23,650 posts)👍🏻
✌🏼
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)ancianita
(36,130 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)for people to peruse.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)The assistant to VP Pants.
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Analysis coming from MSNBC panel (Maddow, Hayes, McCaskill, Wiley, and Rosenberg) is that the content may have been improperly classified. McCaskill explained that if a senator believes a document has been falsely classified to, say, coverup a crime, then they can choose to discuss that publicly. This would place the burden upon the classifying agency to defend the classification status of the document.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)(am watching Schumer on there right now )
Mersky
(4,986 posts)(The Schumer interview was illuminating as well).
Thanks again
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)(am on MIRT so was going back and forth dealing with that and this )
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)Schumer added his congratulations.
crickets
(25,982 posts)and replayed again and again. Powerful stuff.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)(receive House messages, legislation, etc)
crickets
(25,982 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)(the "messages from the House" ) but we all know he'll then just shove it in his circular file.
crickets
(25,982 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)It's obvious that Turtle wants it all to sit untouched, through the rest of this calendar year and EXPIRE at the end of this Congress' term, which it will if not considered by December 31, 2020.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)Wonderful as always and greatly appreciated.
BumRushDaShow
(129,344 posts)with comments and the "play by play" of what is going on!
dweller
(23,650 posts)😑
✌🏼
elleng
(131,067 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)and how Senators might weigh whether to disclose information they feel is incorrectly classified was fascinating.
Just saw this: 'Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) violated Senate rules and left the impeachment trial to go be on Fox News with Tucker Carlson.'
https://www.politicususa.com/2020/01/22/josh-hawley-impeachment-trial.html?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,398 posts)ecstatic
(32,727 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Im just gonna copy and paste my rundown of that from my comment #91, as Im too dang tired and would like to cite the conversation:
Analysis coming from MSNBC panel (Maddow, Hayes, McCaskill, Wiley, and Rosenberg) is that the content may have been improperly classified. McCaskill explained that if a senator believes a document has been falsely classified to, say, coverup a crime, then they can choose to discuss that publicly. This would place the burden upon the classifying agency to defend the classification status of the document.
Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)thinks it will benefit him to do so.
dem4decades
(11,301 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)Rosenberg has not served as Senator and McCaskill has, so the fact that she was much more open to the notion was unexpected. He did make good points about the dangers, but her thoughts were that it would be a case of obvious attempts at a cover-up which might warrant stepping out of line.