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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL THREAD 3****
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212892639
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212892926
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)as part of the debate of the Schumer Amendment to Turtle's Rules Resolution.
lamp_shade
(14,846 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,025 posts)The House team really has it together. The contrast with Trump's bunch is striking.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)is playing to please Donny Dolhands and to give Fox News soundbites for the evening news
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)malaise
(269,219 posts)I like how they planned this out
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)so they know they have "the burden of proof" and know how to do it - and are doing it against a vast RW media block.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)I'm in the office and I'm also suspended on Twitter, so this is a great lifeline for me
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)during the Clinton impeachment. All I had was the radio (NPR was running it) and a couple of folks had those little battery-operated portable TVs.
I used to have something like this -
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)I had a little Black & White portable TV & radio - I had won it my senior year in high school and used it my 4 years of college - so I know what you're talking about.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)before I "upgraded"!
(had a couple coworkers who snuck and watched "their stories" around lunchtime (soaps) )
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)(broadband) was only penetrating about 4% by 1999 and even in 2001, t-1 lines in businesses still were not going to get you streaming video.
You can imagine dozens of people surrounding that little tv. Wow...
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)and it was overloaded - despite our partial T1 - in a federal government office (while my coworkers had run to a conference room to put on Peter Jennings on TV ).
ancianita
(36,160 posts)Not just the Senate.
And that the American people know the history of impeachment practices.
And what this president has NOT done compared to all the other defendants of impeachment proceedings.
Good graphic/video summary of the president's obstructions.
Straightforward, even toned straight talk. Excellent presentation.
Arkansas Granny
(31,535 posts)Bettie
(16,132 posts)running it fairly or even with any pretense of such.
ancianita
(36,160 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,535 posts)how impeachments have been handled in the past. She's getting all of the stonewalling and lack of cooperation on record.
C_U_L8R
(45,025 posts)Do you suppose the President's defenders are getting flop sweat yet?
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Highlighted Judge Porteuss impeachment - had 26 witnesses.
Clintons didnt require any subpoenas, as he was forthcoming.
Etc.
IcyPeas
(21,916 posts)at least we know who will be on the right side of history. this is all going down for history. it will one day be seen for what it was.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)From the official foreign policy perspective, and that tRump did not use in his July 25th call to Zelensky. That tRump went off topic from official policy.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)nolabear
(41,999 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)as a staffer on the House Judiciary Committee back then. She ran for office and was on that committee as a congresswoman during the Clinton impeachment and is of course a senior member on that committee today. She even pre-dates ASS-ley working "in Congress" as he wasn't there until after Nixon left.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)W O W
Shes been AMAZING!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)was on House Judiciary during the Clinton impeachment and was an intern for the House during the Nixon impeachment
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Clips from Vindman, Williams, and Sondland. Stepped through the importance of others like Volker who has new evidence to submit.
She went on further to read out the findings of the GAO that the OMB violated the law under the ICA (Impoundment Control Act).
Theres so much, really.
Lofgren is easy to listen to, and Im struggling to type up notes. Is an excellent section to watch for the cliff notes of the many hours of House testimony.
ancianita
(36,160 posts)She's a fantastic patriot.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)She was on top of that - really well prepared. And yes, a fine example of a true patriot.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,664 posts)Cameras aren't allowed in the Senate chamber during the impeachment trial so we'll have to settle for this courtroom sketch of Jay Sekulow consulting with President Trump.
Link to tweet
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Nice to giggle out loud during stressful times like these!
Thank YOU!
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)(Patrick Philbin)
ancianita
(36,160 posts)the House for what the WH and its cabinet did!
He argues like a cornered loop hole lawyer.
nolabear
(41,999 posts)If I was Roberts my head would be in my hands.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)but he knows what their arguments have been and I expect he'll punt to his masters figuring they know what they are doing when it comes to the "court of (ignorant Drumpf base) public opinion".
ancianita
(36,160 posts)He cannot, for the legacy of justice under his judicial leadership, let a trial be handled by obfuscation, lies and blaming the prosecuting managers for what the defendant did to obstruct their oversight.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)and even then, his role is really limited in this setting.
Zoonart
(11,887 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)because he is not GYMSUIT JORDAN cray cray or "TV-worthy".
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Mossfern
(2,570 posts)Oh - wait, it's about not going to the courts to get WH documents.
Do congressional subpoenas require authorization?
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)rzemanfl
(29,573 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Co-opt the phrasing, ram through and project it onto the Democratic side.
Sorry, but Moscow Mitch deserves and owns that wording.
C_U_L8R
(45,025 posts)This guy is convincing no one. And apparently, he knows it.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,219 posts)He is energy efficient after all!
dweller
(23,682 posts)milquetoast mannerly, 😞
and a liar too
✌🏼
Mersky
(4,986 posts)And is doing so with a tune-out, droning-on quality.
I wont, Ill suffer on through it.
woodsprite
(11,931 posts)ancianita
(36,160 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,097 posts)That's some AMAZING revisionist history there, asshole.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Mossfern
(2,570 posts)was just repeating lying talking point.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)"Shouldn't have to litigate this again back up through the courts again."
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)Five bucks says Trump is on the phone from Switzerland saying that right now, because Patrick Philbin is speaking too slowly, too quietly, and his voice is shaking.
I don't blame him for having a shaky, nervous demeanour. I'd be nervous too, if I was on national TV flushing my career as a legitimate lawyer (as opposed to a Fux Noise TEE VEE jackass) down the crapper.
ancianita
(36,160 posts)"This is about getting to the truth, that impartial justice has been applied, and that the American people know that a fair trial has been conducted."
elleng
(131,202 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Telling it like it is.
gademocrat7
(10,676 posts)ancianita
(36,160 posts)woodsprite
(11,931 posts)ancianita
(36,160 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)regarding a President attempting to invoke privilege for everything.
capechacon
(91 posts).....goddam national treasure. Smart, effective, patriotic.
Why isn't HE running for president????
maxsolomon
(33,432 posts)He will be the next AG or SoS.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Schiff about the GOP whining - "Gosh they used our rules, how terrible"!!
badseedboy
(174 posts)Schiff is looking especially healthy, energetic, positive, and happy to be right where he is in the here and now. What strength there is in that!
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)Mossfern
(2,570 posts)Here we go.
ancianita
(36,160 posts)California_Republic
(1,826 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)This is an outrage. I am livid.
dweller
(23,682 posts)hard to hear w/ judy woodruff yapping ...
✌🏼
ancianita
(36,160 posts)PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)Collins was very quiet and I wasn't sure, but it sounded like she said no.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Right now.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)barbtries
(28,815 posts)apparently this is part of moscow mitch's plan to keep the people from seeing what their traitor reps are up to. on edit i see some democrats aren't any better.
i feel like crying.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)barbtries
(28,815 posts)i'd like to know who voted what. I watched the vote live and couldn't even hear the responses. this is on c-span.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)coti
(4,612 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)to have a civil war, there really is no recourse other than people voting these folks out of office.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Bayard
(22,181 posts)Documents
coti
(4,612 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)ancianita
(36,160 posts)Fuck the Republican Senators and the partial justice horse they ride in on.
Mossfern
(2,570 posts)This is a good way for the House to get their point across - through arguments regarding amendments - even if they're tabled eventually.
woodsprite
(11,931 posts)coti
(4,612 posts)Mossfern
(2,570 posts)there is at least an opportunity for the House to get the point across about obstruction and an opportunity to reiterate the crimes of the administration.
coti
(4,612 posts)Mossfern
(2,570 posts)Mitch promised at the beginning that he would table any amendments.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,025 posts)They cannot kill the truth. Maybe theyll delay it a little but their heinous betrayal will be their downfall.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)ancianita
(36,160 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)So, Ill make some campaign contributions, and contemplate my peaceful protest options.
EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)...Romney voted to table the amendment...he can shove it. Repubs are all the same.
Well, we all know how this will go. I was surprised that the vote was within range, but I do not remember how many we have there.
Who do you think will be the one to call for a vote to dismiss the trial? Is that
McConnell?
ariadne0614
(1,737 posts). .that everyone on this thread has called his/her Senators. Remember the scene in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?
wnylib
(21,664 posts)stand. No need for me to call either Kirsten Gillibrand or Chuck Schumer except to say "Thanks and keep on it."
Mersky
(4,986 posts)That abrupt tabling was disgraceful.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)You can send faxes or actually call your Congress reps. The bot dials the number so you don't even need to look it up. A wonderful tool. Just finished leaving an angry message to Rob Portman, the Trump sycophant.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)My mind is blown - in a good way.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Is a nifty idea.