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mac2766

(658 posts)
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:21 PM Jan 2020

I'm a person that doesn't currently own a gun.

I used to own a 12 gauge and a 20 gauge shotgun, as well as a .22 semi-automatic rifle. I sold them when I moved south and found that I could no longer simply walk outside and into the woods and shoot my weapons. I have not owned a gun in well over 30 years. Gun safety was taught to me by a friends father who happened to be a deputy sheriff. I was a member of the Indiana Hunters Association and received extensive training on gun safety when I was younger. I also had further weapons safety training in the military. I may well be no expert, but I wanted to share something with this group.

Watch this video and tell me why we have a problem with guns in this country. I'm not a person who believes that we should take guns away from Americans. I do, however, believe that gun registration is necessary and that if a person wants to own a gun, that that person MUST be required to pay for and set through some form of safety training on a regular basis. Own guns, but be responsible.



Tell me that this guy is responsible.
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Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
1. Many years ago I was at a skeet range shooting...
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:29 PM
Jan 2020

Dude showed up with a side by side shotgun. You could tell he was a novice. He shot a few rounds and then said, I paraphrase..."Those targets are a lot smaller than people." I distanced myself from that group immediately.

safeinOhio

(32,713 posts)
2. I have a 30.06 deer rifle.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:32 PM
Jan 2020

I usually shot it 2 times a year to sight it in. This year I fired it 3 times. The one extra I killed a deer. First time in 5 years. I cleaned, butchered it my self and am now eating it, all of it. About all I need or want one for. A bolt action that holds 4 rounds.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,155 posts)
4. The NRA back in the day was about firearm safety and marksmanship
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:37 PM
Jan 2020

These days they're just another rightwing lobbying group.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
14. They still are.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:17 AM
Jan 2020

The rightwing lobbying is in addition to, not in place of, the other efforts. Abhorrent politics aside, they are still the largest provider of firearms safety training in the world.

Karadeniz

(22,563 posts)
5. Scalia decided that the second amendment applied to personal, private ownership and use, even
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:37 PM
Jan 2020

Though gun use is limited to membership in a well regulated militia. Now that we have militaries that cover every exigency, one wonders if we shouldn't limit that amendment to gun ranges, hunting, skeet.

 

needledriver

(836 posts)
13. Of course the right to keep and bear arms is limited
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:06 AM
Jan 2020

to membership in a militia. That’s why the Second Amendment clearly states “the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
7. I don't think he actually broke any laws there.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:57 PM
Jan 2020

Local ordnances always have the potential to get weird, but he appears to be completely legal in a lot of places. This is not to say that he's completely legal everywhere he's planning on taking that RV, though. I've got some philosophical differences with him on what he's doing, but that's neither here nor there.

What really bothers me is that he's so sloppy with whether or not the weapon is loaded and is actually modifying things he can't even name. Take whatever view you wish on private ownership of firearms, anybody making changes to the operation of a boomstick should understand what is being modified. I'd be stunned if anybody that sloppy has any understanding of his local laws regarding use of lethal force, let alone what those laws might be wherever he's planning on taking that RV.

He needs a little technical training and a lot of legal training, and I say that as somebody without a firearm in the house.

doc03

(35,362 posts)
11. I kept waiting for him to blow a hole in the wall or something. He wasn't very
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:16 PM
Jan 2020

knowledgeable about guns. He didn't know the proper term for anything other than the barrel.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
16. He's an idiot.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:28 AM
Jan 2020

It isn't just about laws. It is about understanding that you hold in your hands, something that can end a life. He had NO trigger discipline putting his finger on the trigger of both the handgun and the shotgun multiple times through the course of the video.

He has not business handling a firearm until he understands how reckless he was being.

As a firearm owner myself I can honestly say that I hate gun culture. I maintain my firearms and practice with them, but I don't take pictures of them, or talk incessantly about them. I don't "love guns" and they are not a significant part of my life. I store them safely and treat them as what they tools with the potential to be lethal.

There used to be a page either on the web of gun people who hate gun people. That might be my jam.

yonder

(9,669 posts)
9. Holy Shit! I stopped at the 3:00 mark.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:04 PM
Jan 2020

He muzzle swept the pistol at least twice before securing it and he was sweeping the loaded shotgun all over the place before casually mentioning "maybe he outta check it before he blows his head off". Ya, ya think?

He's a walking, talking and so far, living statistic with no business owning firearms.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
10. I promise you if he shoots some 00 Buck out of there
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:09 PM
Jan 2020

Or even 4 Buck, that stupid little gun is going to go flying. Totally impractical but that is the difference between someone who actually uses them it vs. a wannabe

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,155 posts)
12. Halfway through he realizes he has a few shells in there.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:24 PM
Jan 2020

Could have been ugly if he didn't.

You can also buy a Mossberg 500 that has that modification but it depends on the state whether it's legal or not.

https://www.mossberg.com/category/series/500-jic/

icymist

(15,888 posts)
15. Wow. Just wow.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:45 AM
Jan 2020

He starts working on a loaded gun. Figures that five round isn't enough to carry around in a gun designed for three so he decides to keep one in the chamber?! Idiot is a disaster waiting to happen. Shortens the barrel and puts on that idiotic pistol grip. Now he thinks he's John Wayne!

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
17. He represents some of the worst of gun culture.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:35 AM
Jan 2020

The Mossberg 500, which it seems like what he has there, is a shotgun that holds 7 rounds and can be used with the hunting barrel which is about 26 inches long and rifled for using slugs, or a shorter 18 inch smooth barrel for home defense.

I agree that a pistol grip on a shotgun without any kind of shoulder stock is just plain stupid.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
18. I almost blew my head off... well annnnyway....
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:56 AM
Jan 2020

I also liked "Shoulder thing" and "Cocking thing." He's all ready to murder things with his new "toy."

Wow, someone said, "Don't mean to nag, but man: 8:38 finger on the trigger of a loaded shotgun inside the house.

... and he replied:

"I am pretty sure I have the safety on, but if not and it went off and shot out my sliding glass patio door, that would have did me a favor 😂 thanks for the good eye."

He's pretty sure. And he's pretty sure there's no one on his patio like a neighbor or their kid.

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