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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:16 PM Jan 2020

BREAKING: Alan Dershowitz Distances Himself From Trump Legal Team: 'I'm Not a Full-Fledged Member'

https://www.mediaite.com/online/alan-dershowitz-distances-himself-from-trump-legal-team-im-not-really-part-of-it/

By Colby HallJan 17th, 2020, 3:12 pm

Alan Dershowitz appeared on his SiriusXM show Friday afternoon with Mediate Founder Dan Abrams and created stark distance between himself and President Donald Trump’s legal defense team for the coming Senate impeachment trial.

Dershowitz told Abrams that he is not part of the Trump legal team — but that he will provide an hourlong constitutional defense of the president before the Senate. That would make the lawyer more of a witness for the Trump team than a member of his defense.

“I think it overstates it to say I’m a member of the Trump team. I was asked to present the constitutional argument that I would have presented had Hillary Clinton been elected and had she been impeached,” Dershowitz claimed, adding “I was asked to present my constitutional argument against impeachment. I will be there for one hour, basically, presenting my argument. But I’m not a full-fledged member of the defense team in any realistic sense of that term.”

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Holy shit - this is amateur hour over at the WH!
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BREAKING: Alan Dershowitz Distances Himself From Trump Legal Team: 'I'm Not a Full-Fledged Member' (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 OP
He has one foot in his underpants and the other out ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #1
More like both of his nuts hanging out the sides. LiberalFighter Jan 2020 #18
This is his second non-full-fledged member defense by my count BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #26
He's just floating the illusion that he is impartial EleanorR Jan 2020 #2
Love this framing from Dershowitz: Skinner Jan 2020 #3
Yep. dalton99a Jan 2020 #5
We all know they were going to start impeaching her on 1/21/17 Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #9
+1 ChiTownDenny Jan 2020 #29
He needs to watch it...I foresee nothing good for him. ETTD dewsgirl Jan 2020 #4
Did we finally dig deep enough? gratuitous Jan 2020 #6
It's like his BS has BS, Johonny Jan 2020 #7
Could anyone be a bigger weasel than Dershowitz? yardwork Jan 2020 #8
Not enough courage to say either "Yes, I am" or "No, I'm not". Aristus Jan 2020 #10
Dershowitz as nocoincidences Jan 2020 #11
Can't have it both ways, asshole. louis-t Jan 2020 #12
He wants back in the Hamptons MaryMagdaline Jan 2020 #13
So Dershowitz is going to be their constitutional expert witness as a member of the legal team? icymist Jan 2020 #14
No, he's going to be their lawyer making their Constitutional legal argument. onenote Jan 2020 #25
Did I hear he's going to be a "witness?" tinrobot Jan 2020 #15
No, no,no! He's not a witness!... LuvLoogie Jan 2020 #16
Meaning - He's keeping his underwear on lame54 Jan 2020 #17
Bullshit until he provides his transcript for the "Hillary Clinton impeachment" of 2017 Mr. Ected Jan 2020 #19
That is his way now. Distance himself from Trump, Epstein and underage children. Trifecta of denial? usaf-vet Jan 2020 #20
I don't think common ground will be found in this impeachment bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #21
All, I can say is wow. iluvtennis Jan 2020 #22
Dershowitz has found some abstract legal point he thinks needs to be proven Warpy Jan 2020 #23
The version of this story at the link is different from what is quoted in the OP onenote Jan 2020 #24
I am chagrined johndaly Jan 2020 #27
The older Dershowitz gets.... capechacon Jan 2020 #28
Dershowitz should definitely keep MontanaMama Jan 2020 #30
Nice try (and fail) by Dershowitz dlk Jan 2020 #31
Come on Alan ... stay on the Trumptanic ... free ice in every room Botany Jan 2020 #32
Dershowitz is a full fledged tool Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #33
He's tying himself in knots on Ari's show right now C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #34
Yup BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #35
What a cluster F this crew is. JDC Jan 2020 #36
How do you make a constitutional argument against something that is in the constitution? Buckeyeblue Jan 2020 #37

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
1. He has one foot in his underpants and the other out
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:21 PM
Jan 2020

I would like to think he is smoking crack and out of his gourd, sadly I believe he is a CRAVEN idiot.

EleanorR

(2,394 posts)
2. He's just floating the illusion that he is impartial
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jan 2020

This coming from the man who said the president is more powerful than a king.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
3. Love this framing from Dershowitz:
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jan 2020

"I was asked to present the constitutional argument that I would have presented had Hillary Clinton been elected and had she been impeached."

Lest all you hateful liberals think he is carrying water for Donald Trump... Think again! He is merely presenting the constitutional argument that he had previously worked up to defend Hillary Clinton from her inevitable impeachment. So this is totally fine.

/sarcasm

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
9. We all know they were going to start impeaching her on 1/21/17
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:34 PM
Jan 2020

...and who, in a Clinton WH, would've asked him to "defend" her? This guy's a bit self-important for a guy who defended OJ and Epstein.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
4. He needs to watch it...I foresee nothing good for him. ETTD
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:24 PM
Jan 2020

Of course, I hope he goes all in and the leaking begins.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Did we finally dig deep enough?
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:28 PM
Jan 2020

Alan Dershowitz at last showing some semblance of a conscience? We've plumbed that deep at last? Or is Alan just trying to wangle invitations to dinner parties on Martha's Vineyard?

icymist

(15,888 posts)
14. So Dershowitz is going to be their constitutional expert witness as a member of the legal team?
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 05:09 PM
Jan 2020

When McConnell has been yelling that there will be no witnesses, isn't this just a back door around that?

tinrobot

(10,914 posts)
15. Did I hear he's going to be a "witness?"
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 05:18 PM
Jan 2020

If he gets to be a witness, then I guess we can call witnesses.

Right?

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
19. Bullshit until he provides his transcript for the "Hillary Clinton impeachment" of 2017
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 05:49 PM
Jan 2020

I can assure you, the presentation would have been a 180 degree turn from the idiocy he's about to blather.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
23. Dershowitz has found some abstract legal point he thinks needs to be proven
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jan 2020

and that's why he's sticking his nose into it. It's the legal scholar's conceit showing, not some partisan vendetta to prove the Don is the savior of the nation. He's always been the rich felon's best friend, making sure that the rich felon isn't on trial for his money but often neglecting the protective effect wealth has against legal consequences.

I'm still having a little trouble thinking of him arguing for the unitary executive without oversight of any type beyond the EC every four years. That does seem inconsistent. However, at this point, that does seem to be what he is preparing to argue.

onenote

(42,752 posts)
24. The version of this story at the link is different from what is quoted in the OP
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jan 2020

In particular, the version of the story on the website does not contain the line "That would make the lawyer more of a witness for the Trump team than a member of the defense."

Why would the author of the article retract that statement? Maybe because it was a silly statement. A lawyer appearing before a tribunal arguing that the tribunal should reach a particular result on legal grounds isn't a witness - he or she is a lawyer.

 

johndaly

(19 posts)
27. I am chagrined
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:07 PM
Jan 2020

by the audacity and duplicity of a man who claims to be a constitutional scholar, is a professor of law and claims to be a civil libertarian who can in good faith argue that the US Constitution does not provide for impeachment as a remedy for an abusive and corrupt executive. Impeachment is at the heart of the document.

"Impeachment is the subject of several provisions of the Constitution. Article I, § 2, cl. 5, gives to the House of Representatives “the sole power of impeachment.” Article I, § 3, cl. 6, gives to the Senate “the sole power to try all impeachments,” requires that Senators be under oath or affirmation when sitting for that purpose, stipulates that the Chief Justice of the United States is to preside when the President of the United States is tried, and provides for conviction on the vote of two-thirds of the members present. Article I, § 3, cl. 7, limits the judgment after impeachment to removal from office and disqualification from future federal office holding, but it allows criminal trial following conviction upon impeachment. Article II, § 2, cl. 1, deprives the President of the power to grant pardons or reprieves in cases of impeachment. Article III,§ 2, cl. 3, excepts impeachment cases from the jury trial requirement. Although the word “impeachment” is sometimes used to refer to the process by which any member of the House may “impeach” an officer of the United States under a question of constitutional privilege (see 3 HINDS ’ PRECEDENTS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES §§ 2398 (impeachment of President John Tyler by a member) and 2469 (impeachment of Judge John Swayne by a member) (1907), the word as used in Article II, § 4 refers to impeachment by vote of the House, the consequence of which is that the Senate may then try the impeached officer."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/section-4/impeachment

 

capechacon

(91 posts)
28. The older Dershowitz gets....
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:08 PM
Jan 2020

the more unhinged he becomes. This guy lost it some years ago and it's become worse since then.

dlk

(11,575 posts)
31. Nice try (and fail) by Dershowitz
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:20 PM
Jan 2020

He is as dirty and skeevy as the rest of his compadres. Someone call a plumber. The sewer has backed up.

Buckeyeblue

(5,500 posts)
37. How do you make a constitutional argument against something that is in the constitution?
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:01 PM
Jan 2020

One of Dershowitz's problems is that he loves himself too much.

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