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MLAA

(17,319 posts)
1. We've really screwed ourselves.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jan 2020

I think we are past the point of no return. One thing we could do to try and slow things down as individuals is to stop eating animals. But while more people are realizing this slowly, not enough and not fast enough.

I am getting through my bucket list way sooner than I ordinarily would have.

 

k2qb3

(374 posts)
2. The whole AG system has to be reformed...
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:47 PM
Jan 2020

The impact land use has isn't sufficiently appreciated in this story, it's much too difficult to sort out how to replicate migrating herds grazing seasonal grasslands and such, the property issues are enormous.

I think the permies might have the best ideas, both for mitigation and adaptation. The US, and probably the rest of the New World, is pretty food secure, but the old world is a disaster waiting to happen. Oh look we're signing something about sending China a bunch of grain, how about that.

MLAA

(17,319 posts)
6. I worry about water supply which will impact food security
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:35 PM
Jan 2020

Animal AG uses so much. I also think the increased severe weather we are experiencing (floods, droughts etc) will have to impact food security for us at some point. What do you think?

leftyladyfrommo

(18,870 posts)
3. Some non animal food is terrible, too.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 06:07 PM
Jan 2020

Anything with palm oil. Avocados. (Energy, WATER fertilizer and pesticides ) There are more.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
4. Humans have been eating animals since early on.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 08:55 PM
Jan 2020

Our bodies are dependent on nutrients that are found most easily in animal protein. I am a case in point. Most of my life, I ate beef, not large amounts of it, but I consumed it at intervals of once or twice per week, roughly 6-8 ounces on heavy weeks. I never had issues with Vitamin B12. About 3 years ago I almost completely removed beef from my diet, from 6-8 ounces per week to maybe that amount on average every three months. I developed a Vitamin B12 deficiency that was severe enough for my Doctor to prescribe supplements and schedule a second blood test after I have been on supplements for a few months.

I won't argue the history of beef eating, there is plenty of research on that. Beef does intefere with gut organism and can be a problem if eaten in excess, but my guess is my amounts were not in excess because they left me in good health.

Instead of telling people that they shouldn't eat animal products, maybe it is wiser to promote eating those products only in amounts that our bodies need, most meat eaters eat too much meat, way too much and shouldn't see negative effects from reducing the amount consumed, that would result in fewer animals being raised, which would be helpful in many ways.

But the tone that you seemed to have taken seems judgemental, I almost responded to your post by saying that I wish I had a bucket of fried chicken (silly because I won't eat that much in six months).

Me? I have pretty much given up pork except for Italian sausage. I have reduced my poultry consumption by about 40%. If my bloodwork show my Vitamin B12 is back on track, I will keep beef at where it is or even look at reducing it. But posts like yours honestly serve as a demotivating element in that path.

MLAA

(17,319 posts)
7. I understand that my post is harsh.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:59 PM
Jan 2020

We have started to see more and more straight talk from scientists about the real state of our planet, what can be done about it, what hard choices are to be made to try and slow down the destruction. Personally, I do think it is too late, I would love to be wrong.

You are right that B12 is the only vitamin/nutrient you need to take as a supplement on a plant based diet.







Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
8. I don't think that it is too late.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:03 AM
Jan 2020

Instead of having expansive lawns, people can plant succulent plants like aloe, a plant that is common here in Florida whose name slips me, and if they are really into pain, blue agave plants. Those plants grow well in dry weather and tolerate rain, and they are absolute beasts at soaking up CO2 and VOCs (volatile organic compounds like diesel vapor, gasoline leaks, petrochemical aresols in the air, partially combusted auto exhaust, ect). In fact, they should be planted in abundance in the medians and in the outer boundaries of all highways and roads.

If we do a better job of balancing CO compound (and methane) release versus it's scavenging from the air by plants, we slow down the rush toward our extinction pretty dramatically.

MLAA

(17,319 posts)
9. I live in Sonoran desert in southern arizona
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:15 AM
Jan 2020

So lots agave and other natural landscaping🌵 🙂. I will look into adding even more.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. You should also be able to grow aloe plants really well. They like hot, dry climates with
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:31 AM
Jan 2020

periodic rain, although they will grow here in Florida in well draining soil.

The things about succulents is that they have a 24 hour cycle where they remove more C-based compounds from the air than they use oxygen, so over a week, they have a dramatic impact when planted densely enough. Trees have roughly a sunshine CO removal cycle (about 12 hours on most days, a little longer at mid Summer) and they suck at dealing with VOCs, which are big contributors to issues like smog.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,870 posts)
12. I ended up severely anemic. I just plain
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:48 AM
Jan 2020

don't like the plant based foods that are high in iron. I ended up in the ER getting transfusions and iron infusions.

Now I eat a little meat or fish every day. And you need vitamin C to process iron. I drink beet root juice every day. And I take iron supplements.

If you are vegetarian or eat a plant based diet you have to be really careful to get all the nutrients you need. You really have to educate yourself. And avoid plant products that harm the environment.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. Our bodies are fine tuned instruments that are millions of years in forming.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jan 2020

Our bodies need to extract nutrients from food in a certain way, if we disrupt that, we can harm ourselves. My case with vitamin B12 is sort of a case in point. Apparently my body was really good at taking it from beef, but not good at all in taking it from poultry, so I ended up seriously deficient.

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