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gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:56 AM Jan 2020

The scariest thing from Rachel's interview.

This bears repeating. At the end of the interview last night, Rachel asked Parnas why he decided to speak out, his answer was chilling.

He said he felt he would be safer if he told what he knew. He was afraid of being murdered. This is how low Trump and his Republican cult have fallen. When Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it, 5th Avenue was just an example.

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The scariest thing from Rachel's interview. (Original Post) gab13by13 Jan 2020 OP
He's probably more afraid of getting assassinated by Putin than by trump. Poiuyt Jan 2020 #1
Yep. GoCubsGo Jan 2020 #2
I think you could be right. FM123 Jan 2020 #6
I think you are probably right? kentuck Jan 2020 #9
+1 H2O Man Jan 2020 #36
My take on them is that they take turns with posing & acting as geopolitical good cop/bad cop. ancianita Jan 2020 #12
Weren't Hyde & Co dealing with the Russian mafia while stalking Yovanovich? BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #16
trump is Putin's lapdog, the order may come from Putin but the execution will come from the con Perseus Jan 2020 #21
Agree KSNY Jan 2020 #27
Yep tiptonic Jan 2020 #41
He said he's more afraid of Barr... Earth Bound Misfit Jan 2020 #62
Yeah - I'll second that. panfluteman Jan 2020 #64
I felt a chill go down my spine when that came up rurallib Jan 2020 #3
Scarborough said something about that this morning and I swear he nearly added Vinca Jan 2020 #4
Does not want to end up as a LOOSE END. Zoonart Jan 2020 #5
That was Epstein's error, he thought he could rely on his "friends" so he kept quiet Perseus Jan 2020 #20
What he didn't realize was that he could rely on his "friends" to keep him quiet. patphil Jan 2020 #65
Putin assassinates people. yardwork Jan 2020 #7
Trump assassinates people. Glad Iran taking to Hague Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #24
Good point. Trump now has an assassination of his own. yardwork Jan 2020 #26
He did seem very, very conscious of the situation he was in... kentuck Jan 2020 #8
His lawyer was most probably on the alert to make sure Lev would not go past what was agreed Perseus Jan 2020 #18
Yes and very very careful not to incriminate himself with attempted murder charge. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #25
I am reminded that birds of a feather flock together. kentuck Jan 2020 #28
And don't forget the way Parnas described "the team" Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #42
+10000000 For the Win Pachamama Jan 2020 #32
More on Hyde from Hartford Courant last night Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #39
I am, right now, at the beginning of writing my greatesst song, "The Ballad of Jeffery Epstein." 3Hotdogs Jan 2020 #10
Hmmm tavernier Jan 2020 #13
Not bad! Dream Girl Jan 2020 #14
So far very good Perseus Jan 2020 #17
Can I add to your song for consideration... I have to find levity in the stuff! MartyTheGreek Jan 2020 #19
I want to hear more Pachamama Jan 2020 #33
Well, here are my effort in the spirit of collaboration Ligyron Jan 2020 #58
I think, unlock should be changed to lock. 3Hotdogs Jan 2020 #61
Putin and his Russian mafia are behind this. Lonestarblue Jan 2020 #11
Isn't it amazing that trump knew not to get any instruction from Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #29
Democrats need to subpoena Parnas, or get a deposition, gab13by13 Jan 2020 #40
How does that work? They said that Dems were waiting Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #45
I really don't know either, gab13by13 Jan 2020 #47
Yes and I've never heard anyone explain what a "trial" Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #55
Press just asked Pelosi same question and she avoided Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #60
I do believe that the same threats have reached many of the GOP members and that is why Perseus Jan 2020 #15
Parnas did drop Kevin McCarthy's name last night Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #30
TRUMP WAS ALREADY LOW! blakstoneranger Jan 2020 #22
Yes, spot on, gab13by13 Jan 2020 #23
Mafia tactics are not how they've fallen. zentrum Jan 2020 #31
Interesting! Building a loyal and corrupt team. Exactly Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #44
I think he realized he was the intended fall guy, and he didn't want to be Epsteined. Texin Jan 2020 #34
And this is what this great country has become. Polly Hennessey Jan 2020 #35
Yeah. Trump could "shoot" someone in a conference room at the Saudi Embassy... MrModerate Jan 2020 #37
He lives in a world full of house painters Dukkha Jan 2020 #38
And murder is what was planned for Marie Yovanovitch too Cousin Dupree Jan 2020 #43
But why? Just because that's what they always do over there? Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #46
She was a road block to Burisma/Biden conspiracy. gab13by13 Jan 2020 #48
Exactly. She was *inconvenient* to a lot of players in a lot of playing fields. Texin Jan 2020 #51
Yep. She was in the way, and she was too honest. It's that simple. nt crickets Jan 2020 #57
Ha..thought you meant to say "shady ass" but "shady gas" Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #59
During Poroshenko's reign, she appears to have stepped on some corrupt toes intrepidity Jan 2020 #69
All so he could get reelected. SMFH. nt ecstatic Jan 2020 #63
You know what's even scarier malaise Jan 2020 #49
You know, I wish I believed that was true. But these thugs act with impunity. They are not afraid. Texin Jan 2020 #52
I just watched a video gab13by13 Jan 2020 #53
They are all very angry malaise Jan 2020 #54
The " I can shoot someone on 5th Ave and get away with it" . is SayItLoud Jan 2020 #50
He knows Jeffrey Epstein was murdered in jail. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2020 #56
He said he is afraid of Barr especially. BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #66
The United States Wawannabe Jan 2020 #67
I wouldn't put it past these criminals to put a hit on Parnas. YOHABLO Jan 2020 #68

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
2. Yep.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:04 AM
Jan 2020

Although they wouldn't likely go after him directly, Trump and his fellow GOPers wouldn't stand in Putin's way.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
6. I think you could be right.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:19 AM
Jan 2020

I remember reading this article about 14 businessmen that all died in the UK and they were suspected to be hits by the Kremlin. Weird stuff too like falling out of building windows to be impaled on fence spikes... https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/from-russia-with-blood-14-suspected-hits-on-british-soil

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
21. trump is Putin's lapdog, the order may come from Putin but the execution will come from the con
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:53 AM
Jan 2020

I think that is what happened to Epstein.

tiptonic

(765 posts)
41. Yep
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:13 AM
Jan 2020

He knows too much, pure and simple. Putin seems to be cleaning house, at home and I bet this guy was on his list, to be "sanitized".

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
64. Yeah - I'll second that.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 AM
Jan 2020

Trump's uncle Vlad has really taken assassination technology to a new level.

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
3. I felt a chill go down my spine when that came up
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:06 AM
Jan 2020

but it seems to make good sense.
If something happens tp Parnas who had the most to gain from his death from what we know now.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
4. Scarborough said something about that this morning and I swear he nearly added
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:07 AM
Jan 2020

"like Epstein." Lev is safer today than he was yesterday.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
20. That was Epstein's error, he thought he could rely on his "friends" so he kept quiet
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:51 AM
Jan 2020

Epstein should have come up with the goods immediately. He should have asked for a press conference.

kentuck

(111,102 posts)
8. He did seem very, very conscious of the situation he was in...
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:22 AM
Jan 2020

He knew a lot. What part did his lawyer play?

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
18. His lawyer was most probably on the alert to make sure Lev would not go past what was agreed
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jan 2020

You could see him chewing on every word that was said, he was definitely alert.

kentuck

(111,102 posts)
28. I am reminded that birds of a feather flock together.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:47 AM
Jan 2020

What did he and Rudy Giuliani, the massive stack of bullshit, have in common?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
42. And don't forget the way Parnas described "the team"
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:15 AM
Jan 2020

Included fine "Christian" Pence and chief law enforcement of the land AG FuBarr!

Trump started without Rudy. He started with many decent (hesitate to say that) people around him. Then he systematically rid them all.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
32. +10000000 For the Win
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jan 2020

This is exactly what I thought last night watching the interview.

I believe Parnas was telling the truth and his reason for talking, similar to Michael Cohen, is that it is to stay alive.

I believe Parnas was telling the truth throughout - except when it came to Robert Hyde....I think he was threading the needle and being very careful and telling a story that purposely distanced him from Robert Hyde and painted him as someone he doesn't really know and is an alcoholic who was on a week long bender. Possibly all true - but under clear advisement from his lawyer sitting next to him who is also trying to defend him of charges from the SDNY, he said what he did very carefully.

Parnas knows what happened to Jeffrey Epstein. He knows who and what is involved and he knows that he has a big bullseye on him from both Trump and Putin and his only chance of staying alive, even just for a little while is to sing like a bird.

3Hotdogs

(12,390 posts)
10. I am, right now, at the beginning of writing my greatesst song, "The Ballad of Jeffery Epstein."
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jan 2020

In a lonely jail cell, watched by Billy Barr,
when ya cross the wrong people, don't matter who you are
- or how much money ya had,

when ya got the names, and ya just might spill 'em
Billy's comin' for ya in the darkest hour of the night.

Jailers go for naps
videotapes go "snap"
cell doors forget to unlock,



I'll work on it some more when I get home.

MartyTheGreek

(565 posts)
19. Can I add to your song for consideration... I have to find levity in the stuff!
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:51 AM
Jan 2020

"In a lonely jail cell, watched by Billy Barr,
when ya cross the wrong people, don't matter who you are
- or how much money ya had,

when ya got the names, and ya just might spill 'em
Billy's comin' for ya in the darkest hour of the night.

Jailers behind Barrs, go for wee night dirt naps
then suddenly videotapes go "snap"
cell doors forget to unlock, and in the quiet of night,
no more tickety-toc."

Here's a rhyme I wrote yesterday:

Maga’s Be Sayin…

MAGAs be saying, but he’s our O.J.
Trump be like, where’s my Roy Cohn
Michael Cohen be sayin, this is real, I’m in jail!
Flynn be like me too, waddabout Hillary?

Hillary be like, Clinton Foundation Still Open!
SDNY FBI be sayin, Trump Foundation Shut Down!
Pelosi be like, the House Impeached the Don!
Teflon Don be sayin, fake news!

Many republican Senators now be sayin, Wait a minute!

Just sayin!

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
58. Well, here are my effort in the spirit of collaboration
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:17 PM
Jan 2020

In a lonely jail cell, watched by Billy Barr,
when ya cross the wrong people, don't matter who you are
- or how much money ya had, it will all go bad

when ya got the names, and ya just might spill 'em
Billy's comin' for ya in the darkest hour of the night
and some one's gonna kill'em.

Jailers go for naps
videotapes go "snap"
cell doors forget to unlock,
when other jailers take a crap

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
11. Putin and his Russian mafia are behind this.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jan 2020

It’s no accident that Firtash, Russian oligarch and mobster, funded this operation. I hope this all breaks open, but I’m hesitant to do a victory dance yet. Trump has skated on any number of issues that should have brought him down. But so long as most of the media treat him as just a harmless president who does things differently, public opinion will not change. Hats off to Rachel for going after and nailing this interview. We need more such exposes because the corrupt Trump administration will do nothing. It’s a sad commentary on the state of our government when there is no one left who will actually investigate and enforce the law. AG Barr is just as corrupt as Trump and will prevent the FBI from investigating anything.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
29. Isn't it amazing that trump knew not to get any instruction from
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:49 AM
Jan 2020

him directly on tape/paper? Closest we have is the infamous phone call with Zelenski and overheard call at that wine lunch. This indicates a criminal mind right there. And picking his personal atty to do his dirty business as well. Hopes of declaring client/atty privilege. Probably thinking "let THEM prove it was related to a crime, I can tie that up for years, and I've got my boy Kavenaugh as blocker."

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
40. Democrats need to subpoena Parnas, or get a deposition,
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:11 AM
Jan 2020

even if it's just in the House. No way Trump can claim executive privilege since Trump claims he knows nothing about Parnas. If he claims executive privilege he is admitting to dealing with Parnas.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
45. How does that work? They said that Dems were waiting
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:23 AM
Jan 2020

For Parnas documents before they turned over articles. But there is no mention of Parnas in the actual articles? And that makes him off limits during Impeachment trial? He has to be subpoenaed & under oath? If House does that, how does it get to Senate?

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
47. I really don't know either,
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:38 AM
Jan 2020

but even if it can't be included in the trial it will serve a purpose if it is publicized to the world and to Senate Republicans up for reelection. We need a legal scholar here to see if Parnas' testimony can be added as an addendum.

Also, do you trust Bolton to testify and tell the truth? I wouldn't put it past him to lie under oath. He could be a false flag operation. I put nothing past these bastards.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
55. Yes and I've never heard anyone explain what a "trial"
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:06 PM
Jan 2020

Would look like with zero witnesses. Just yapping only worst than House hearing? Evidently that won't happen. But let's just say they won't let Sondland testify, for example. Would it be like in court, his info is not admissable to even talk about it?

Hell no I don't trust Bolton. My guess is he will thread the needle just like Sondland did. Admit to some of it but not all. With Sondland, remember he said trump only concerned about Burisma (and not Biden). That way they can prop up the idea that trump after corruption only. This was despite what the eye witness at the wine lunch said and they trashed him.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
60. Press just asked Pelosi same question and she avoided
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:35 PM
Jan 2020

answering and no followup asked. But gather we are at the mercy of a majority of the Senate as to whether Parnas is called or not. Legal expert on CNN said they (GOP) wants to act more like an appeals court (look at evidence from house only) than a trial court where more and new evidence can be added. Perhaps only way to do it is to reconvene house Impeachment and create amended articles? Time!!!! All takes time.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
15. I do believe that the same threats have reached many of the GOP members and that is why
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:47 AM
Jan 2020

they continue to support and defend the con, they are afraid for their families and their own lives.

I repeat, WE HAVE A MAFIA ADMINISTRATION, the con has never understood about consequences and I do believe he would shoot someone on 5th Ave if he thought it would help him at the moment because he cannot see what happens beyond the moment of his actions.

Parnas knows Putin will try to kill him, and he knows that the con (Putin's lapdog) will follow orders from Putin because he doesn't care what happens to anyone but himself.

I hope that GOP members who have been threatened understand that the best way to protect their families and themselves is to come out and tell all. If they all come out and tell all at the same time they won't be able to do anything to them.

 

blakstoneranger

(333 posts)
22. TRUMP WAS ALREADY LOW!
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:04 AM
Jan 2020

HE JUST BROUGHT THE REST OF THE DESPERATE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE EVANGELICALS DOWN TO HIS LEVEL. It's the money baby, all of that money--in the hands of an idiot!

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
23. Yes, spot on,
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:12 AM
Jan 2020

and Democrats, reporters, and the public need to keep shining a light on the Republican cockroaches. As I said in another post, we may not be able to stomp on them but we can make them run. This story must not go away, if this doesn't stay on the front page we are lost.

Dems need to do what Lieu just did, mock the bastards, expose them, they don't deserve civil discourse because they are killing America.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
34. I think he realized he was the intended fall guy, and he didn't want to be Epsteined.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:01 AM
Jan 2020

When you've got a Bill Barr involved in the same plot they've got you running, you've got a pretty compelling reason to just spill the beans on everyone's involvement in this cabal and do it as publicly as humanly possible. It's tantamount to writing a letter to someone and sending it to them with the message printed on the envelope, "In the event of my death or disappearance".

Polly Hennessey

(6,799 posts)
35. And this is what this great country has become.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:01 AM
Jan 2020

The sadness is overwhelming. Thanks to tRump, McConnell, all of the Republicans, and all of the people who voted for them, we are now no better than any thuggish grubby corrupt authoritarian country.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
37. Yeah. Trump could "shoot" someone in a conference room at the Saudi Embassy...
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:07 AM
Jan 2020

In Istanbul, or perhaps on a street outside our Consulate in Kyiv. Or via nerve gas in a cathedral city in the UK. Same diff.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
46. But why? Just because that's what they always do over there?
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:26 AM
Jan 2020

I want to re-read her testimony. She just seemed so mild mannered and nonoffensive. Hardly someone a criminal would be worried about. Why not just transfer her out?

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
48. She was a road block to Burisma/Biden conspiracy.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:43 AM
Jan 2020

She debunked it instead of promoting it. She constantly spoke badly about the former Ukrainian prosecutor calling him corrupt. He was behind a lot of the push to get rid of her.

I'm still waiting for the shady gas deals to be exposed, that's why Rick Perry was involved. She most likely would have been a road block to those corrupt gas deals.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
59. Ha..thought you meant to say "shady ass" but "shady gas"
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:28 PM
Jan 2020

fits too. You are so right..sometimes we forget that we must ALWAYS follow the money and look at the $$ angle. Jeez Perry would have been better off just staying in Texas executing people for fun.

intrepidity

(7,307 posts)
69. During Poroshenko's reign, she appears to have stepped on some corrupt toes
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:31 AM
Jan 2020

Namely, those of corrupt-AG Letsenko.

Letsenko seems to have been the origin of wanting her out of Ukraine.

Then their elections happened, Zelinsky came aboard, and Team Rudy had to restrategize. They were no doubt counting on Letsenko to get the "Burisma/Biden" train rolling.

At least, that's how it seems to me, today.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
52. You know, I wish I believed that was true. But these thugs act with impunity. They are not afraid.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jan 2020

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
53. I just watched a video
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jan 2020

where Manu Raju, I know the spelling of his name is wrong, the little guy from CNN. He tried to interview Martha McSally who is running for Senate in Arizona. Manu asked her if she would consider the new evidence that was just produced about Ukraine. She went ballistic on him, ignored his question by simply calling him a liberal hack, twice.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
50. The " I can shoot someone on 5th Ave and get away with it" . is
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jan 2020

PROJECTION....once again. The roadmap to everything tRUMP is simple. Just investigate what he says.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
68. I wouldn't put it past these criminals to put a hit on Parnas.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:11 AM
Jan 2020

The Republican Party is an organized crime entity.This is what organized crime does.

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