I don't trust Parnas even a little bit

[Recursion]

Particularly when he's saying things I want to hear.

[jaysunb]

1. Lol nt

[dawg day]

2. I know, but the more he implicates Giuliani and Trump...

The more frantic and self-destructive they'll be.

Hyde the stalker is claiming now, with Parnas, he's just a drunk who fantasizes being James Bond... but if it draws attention to the timeline, that Hyde texted Parnas about surveilling the Amb, then he had a meeting with Trump, then Trump made a veiled threat to the amb. in a phone call ("She's going to go through some things&quot , then the amb. is suddenly recalled explicitly because she's in danger, then the drunken thug has a mental breakdown at Trump's hotel....


Maybe Parnas is lying. But if he gets some investigative reporters investigating, more power to him.

[Recursion]

3. But he's only implicating Giuliani

That's what worries me

[NCLefty]

4. Same. I'm afraid this is all too bad to be true.

We need corroboration. And we need a thorough investigation, probably another Special Counsel. *sigh*

[jayfish]

5. Well, If He Lied On TRMS Then...

he has perjured himself. This is all stuff he has said under oath.

[duforsure]

9. He has documentation , plus others have corroborated some of his claims

Also others are about to expose more . This is just the beginning of what'll get exposed . Ghouliani is probably realizing his time being a free man is going to be coming to and end and drinking and using other things to dull the pain about now. Rudy will be turning on trump too, soon, and he should be scared of trump and what he's very capable of doing, and after claiming he had insurance. Rudy is in deep trouble and in a dangerous situation no matter what he does, but he will flip., just like trumps lawyer sitting in prison has done. Also remember Parnas has said these things before under oath so he would commit another crime if he lied. Moscow Mitch if you're listening this will expose you and many others,as co-conspirators when you refuse to convict. A lot more will be coming out. Follow the money .

[chillfactor]

6. Do remember.....

Parnas has documentation and what he has said has been backed up by House testimony under oath. I have heard several lawyers attest to that after listening to the Parnas interview with Rachel. Can't wait for Part II tomorrow,

[delisen]

7. A charming sociopath?

What is his reason for being so forthcoming and not anticipating a presidential pardon?

[KY_EnviroGuy]

8. Agree, Recursion. I'm hopeful but very skeptical.

This whole thing with Parnas could be a complex ruse.

Suddenly, during proceedings an new witness comes out of the woodwork and totally discredits the man's integrity (if he ever had any). Corroboration here is essential.

Too many of us have seen Rethugs weasel out of worse many times by whip-sawing public emotions.....

[0rganism]

10. suspicious and just plain weird

long way around for a double-cross but this bunch have sometimes been known to play the long game. why open with Maddow and MSNBC first? it feels a bit like one of those faked/real story situations like with Dubya and Rather and the real AWOL story evidence presented on forged documents. someone else on DU a couple days ago was saying to watch out for a similar set-up this time too.

if you can plant faked evidence with a trusted media outlet, you can discredit the story and the outlet simultaneously. i hope Maddow and her producers vetted the hell out of their interview content, however one might attain a degree of certainty from a professional liar and his oddly content lawyer. it's just too damn easy to envision scenarios where Parnas is still on the Trump payroll, Democrats and progressives go all in for his version of events, then Parnas flips and declares it was all a hoax to show how easily the fake press can be fooled and in-turn used to fool the "libtards".

[usaf-vet]

12. Dan Rather George Bush AWOL

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BEWARE of the Dan Rather pitfall. True story delivered on FAKE DOCUMENTS.
For those that did not live through the story here is one source to help.
https://theintercept.com/2015/10/27/george-w-bush-was-awol-but-whats-truth-got-to-do-with-it/

BUT don't just look at my source Google "Dan Rather Bush AWOL"

My short version
1. George W. Bush went AWOL during the Vietnam war.
2. Dan Rather (Investigative reporter) received documents that were "official" looking that proved Bush did go AWOL.
3. A Bush connect operative faked the looks of an actual military document then filled it with real data.
4. Within days the web was abuzz with the suggestion that something was wrong with the document.
5. The chief complaint was the type font was wrong the military never used that font.
6. It was clear to some (including me) that the Bush operative generated the document "slightly off" then called attention to it.
7. The "false form" KILLED the story and Dan Rather's career. EVEN though the data was correct.

THOSE SAME TYPE POLITICAL OPERATIVES ARE ACTIVE TODAY. Today they are working to protect Trump.

Original DU post: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12872271

[Recursion]

20. Exactly

Plant fake evidence of a substantively true claim. These guys are great at doing that.

[denbot]

11. Ratfucking is hard coded in their DNA..

He has more downside going against Putin, so I wouldn’t assume his end game will be to our liking.

[dewsgirl]

13. When he says he didn't believe Hyde, about whether Yovanovitch's life

was actually in danger, he could be protecting himself/others from even more serious charges.

[duforsure]

14. I agree

He would expose others for illegal criminal activities they used . Foreign intel, illegal wiretaps? That would also open up an even bigger can of worms for Rudy and trump, and for himself. Was putin using his russian mafia people for trump? The House needs to find out all of it, and everyone behind it all.

[dewsgirl]

16. I have assumed he is the bagman, that funnels the cash into

the GOP. I also think, he is the backchannel to Putin via Dmitry Firtash.

[imanamerican63]

15. He is a con!

And just like Trump, he will con his way out of trouble!

[DeminPennswoods]

17. Obviously, Parnas' info has to be corroborated,

but it sure seems to fit into what we already know from witness testimony, other documents and timelines. It all certainly makes sense in the way a shakedown operation would work, through intermediares a few steps removed from the person who would benefit from such a shakedown.

O'Donnell asked Maddow during their handoff why she thought Parnas was doing this. She said the impression she had or got was that Parnas thinks the more information he puts out, the physically safer he is.

[Recursion]

18. And planting fake but substantively truthful info is an old GOP trick

Remember the National Guard letter about W?

[Kitchari]

19. Parnas does Putin's bidding

End of story

[pecosbob]

21. No criminal comes entirely clean when caught...ever

Experience shows us that a person will reveal only what truth they must to achieve the best outcome for themselves. In Parnas' case it is important for him to be seen as a minor wheel in a bigger machine so that he can minimize the penalty for his illegal campaign contribution activities. His best outcome is to make it appear that he was basically running errands and that the surveillance of the Ambassador was benign. The Ukraine government has now announced that it will open an investigation of the incident. He could have more problems coming down the road.