The Soullessness Of The Trump Supporter.....

[Laxman]

Let's start at the beginning. In order to support Trump you had to ignore that he was a man married three times who cheated on each of his wives. That he went bankrupt four times. That he was a huckster and a scam artist who sold cheap wine and bad steaks, ran a phony "university", had a fake alter-ego named John Barron, couldn't borrow a dime from an American bank and raised money selling real estate to Russian oligarchs at inflated prices in what was likely a money-laundering scheme and failed at every business-other than selling his name-that he ever started. The fact that he was deep in debt to Russians when he decided run for president wasn't really an issue for you. He's a guy who's entire life is a lie. There's more, but that should sufficiently illustrate what you had to look past.

So maybe you liked his policies (whatever they may be). He hates the same people you hate. He tells you what you want to hear. He's going to shake things up and change the status quo. He's for the working guy-even though he's spent his life screwing small contractors and has never put his fat ass to work doing anything remotely physical. He talks tough, America's going to be respected! Who cares about those bone spurs. So you vote for him. OK. Where do we go from there?

Mulsim ban? l'm cool with that, can't trust them. Put children in cages? Hey, their parents never should have tried to come into this country-it's their fault. Selling off the country's natural assets? We need to be energy independent! America first! You love the tax cut. Who cares if it really didn't benefit you. You like the sound of it. You don't mind bankers in charge of the banking system. Coal lobbyists in charge of the environment. His daughter and son-in-law in charge of who knows what. It's all okey doke with you. We got Supreme Court justices and Federal judges. He stands up for "religious freedom". Maybe you even think God sent Trump. No, that's not delusional at all.

So now, you start to hear about all kinds of illegal things. He's an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal action that sent his personal attorney to jail. Won't show you his taxes. Strange deals with the Saudis. Fixing elections with the Russians. Takes Putin's side in nearly everything. Nothing to be concerned with,right? FBI? Liars! State Department officials? Liars! Alarmed members of the NSA? Liars! Anyone who says anything bad about Trump? Liars!

Face it. You have to accept that anyone and everyone who says something bad about Trump is lying. The only person telling the truth? Oh,yeah, the serial liar.

Now, he's back colluding with the Russians. Putting the screws to the Ukranians for his benefit with your tax dollars. Assassinating foreign generals. Threatening our own ambassadors. There's a parade of witnesses with impeccable credibility telling you all about his wrongdoing. Oh yeah, they're liars too. Everyone is lying. Only Trump tells the truth.

Yet you'll pound your chest about how great our country is. You'll tout your faith, your patriotism, your work ethic, all of which you find personified in the guy I just described. Surely at some point in time it must dawn on you that you have to accept a total fantasy about the entire world (except for Russia) conspiring to lie about Trump to keep up this bizarre construct, right. Maybe, just maybe, at least one of those people is telling the truth? Nah.

You go on living in la la land where Trump is our savior. Why? Some might call you stupid. Some might call you delusional. There are any of a hundred reasons why that is so. When it all comes out in the wash, it's because you are soulless. Devoid of principal. Devoid of morals. This isn't a simple policy disagreement. That I can deal with. I can accept that maybe you voted for him the first time around because you wanted to shake things up. Maybe you didn't understand just how bad he person he has always been. But now, I can't explain away your continued support as a policy disagreement. He's an awful person and now so are you.

Maybe you didn't have a soul to begin with, maybe you sold it for a tax cut and a Supreme Court appointee. But your soulless, just like Trump. And unless we get our country out of the hands of the soulless cretins running it now, it will all end badly.

[mercuryblues]

1. K&R

There was an OP on here recently that listed all this. At the end it basically said, calling trump supporters stupid is being charitable to them. If they aren't stupid, they are something much worse. Soulless, IMO, is one of them.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. It's not so much that they love Trump, but that they hate Democrats and liberals.

However bad Trump may be, we are worse; Trump might be sleazy but we are depraved. He has convinced them that we are jihadists, un-American and godless, all the qualities they hate. Trump owns the libs and that's enough.

[WyattKansas]

3. Or they just love how much their retirement accounts have grown (thanks to Obama) with tRUMP.

Completely oblivious to the same Pump & Dump scam Bush & Republicans, Inc. crashed the economy with at the end of 2007, which made them all realize how much they are really worth. Every American should be forced to watch the movie 'Margin Call' to show them it is all a myth and they will get screwed in the end.

Those who keep supporting tRUMP are going to be howling at why the Democrats did nothing to prevent the next Pump & Dump crash coming... Of course the Trumpanzees screeching the most now will be, 'who let them have so much power' when reality slams them into the ground.

Finally, people have been trained to only give a damn about themselves and satisfying their own greed in this country, so they do not give a damn about how many others have been thrown to the corporate wolves over the years, as long as they did better with their accounts. They do not even care that pharmaceuticals are allowed operate like vulture capitalists that their retirement accounts make nice gains on, while forcing others to pay a large percentage of their entire income just to survive.

[Ingersollman]

21. Another

good movie to watch that explains what went down that led to the Great Recession is "The Big Short".

[at140]

27. My retirement account is up nearly 50%

Since November 2016. Thank you president Obama for cleaning up the economy.

[lapfog_1]

4. We are all pedophiles

I moved to be close to my mother to rural Arizona... stayed with my sister and her husband. A nephew and his daughter lived on the property too. I became friends with my grand-niece, started driving her to school, her friends would come over after school and I would be their tutor (I used to teach college).

It getting to know the parents of the other girls... they would TELL ME about their daughters being molested or raped by various relatives. It wasn't like one or two... almost everyone of these 12 year old's had been molested or raped by older relatives or friends of the family. I didn't ask about their backgrounds, these stories were told to me unprompted. Pedophilia was more or less the norm in this part of rural, mostly poor, white Arizona.

Projection is their key belief system. They really think that we liberal city folk are all a bunch of devil worship pedophiles. It's sick.

[smirkymonkey]

5. Hear, hear!

[Bettie]

6. I'm surrounded by these people, related to a whole lot of them

and I can barely look at them.

I avoid family gatherings or read in a different room.

People say "don't let political differences make you distance yourself from family and friends", but the fact is, they hate me, they hate my kids, because of our political beliefs.

They say they love us even as they talk about how terrible those "liberals" are. Even as they talk about how pure and wonderful Trump is. Even as they say that little kids in cages are a good thing, then change to talk about their missionaries working in the very countries these kids' families were fleeing (and they discuss the danger of 'their' people living there).

It isn't even about politics anymore. It is about morality and they seem to have a very different moral code than I do, than my husband does, than my kids do.

When this is over, providing we survive it, I will not forget who they have shown me they are. Yes, I'll let them put the mask of civility back on and nod and smile at gatherings, but I will NEVER forget how they have shown that they are rotted at the center. A pretty apple, filled with worms. Never.

**ETA: Some of the nieces and nephews are much better, a few are far worse than their boomer parents.

[Laxman]

7. That Is Exactly What I Was Trying To Get At.....

you've got it. There is something seriously amiss with their morality. This isn't about different philosophies of government. Trump has given voice to the most base, vile and evil instincts out there and allowed his followers to cloak themselves in the veneer of legitimacy and righteousness. Even though there is nothing legitimate or righteous about them. All those nasty instincts they've been keeping inside, all the hatred, all of the bigotry, are now perfectly acceptable. It's YOU who has the problem. Soulless hollow people, who in any rational circumstance would be shunned for their beliefs and actions.

[Bettie]

8. And the question is

do we treat them as collaborators were treated in post WWII France? Is it wrong to shun them? I don't think they can be taught to be better.

I don't know that I can "forgive and forget" because they were not forced into anything. They CHOSE this.

And it breaks my heart to see people who I thought were basically good people turn out to be, as you said, soulless hollow people.

[Laxman]

14. I Don't Know....

my thought is that people have shown who they really are. I live in a pretty conservative area and I'm having a tough time looking at people I've know a long time. I just don't know what the future will bring.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

9. We're a soulless country right now.

All this crap being done in our name. All of these people wallowing in "owning the libs". Our leaders are supposed to be representative of us. This is a hell of a face we put forward to the world. It's not just Trump. It's the entirety of the Republican party and those who elected them. We're led by soulless creeps because we're a country of soulless creeps. I feel like I've been shanghaied on Dracula's boat. Lost at sea with a bunch of blood sucking ghouls.

[Laxman]

10. Let's Hope We're Not The Crew Of The Demeter......

pulling into port with nobody left alive except Trump. That's a heck of a literary image you conjured up there.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

13. From that picture it looks like Rudy Giuliani is still alive!

[lunatica]

11. Rec'd and kick'd

[UCmeNdc]

12. Kick!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

15. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[groundloop]

16. trump companies have gone bankrupt SIX times, not four

Chapter 11 protection is, plain and simple, legalized theft. I've worked for a company that was bought out by a vulture capital firm who sucked the life out of us and left behind a ton of debt which took us into bankruptcy. Contractors got screwed, creditors got screwed, suppliers got screwed, many employees lost their jobs, and the perpetrators of the scheme walked away with many millions of dollars. tRump thinks this is good business.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/




“You’ve taken business bankruptcies six times.”
–Hillary Clinton

“On occasion – four times – we used certain laws that are there.”

–Donald Trump

THE FACT CHECKER | Clinton is correct.



Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, which means a company can remain in business while wiping away many of its debts. The bankruptcy court ultimately approves a corporate budget and a plan to repay remaining debts; often shareholders lose much of their equity.

Trump’s Taj Mahal opened in April 1990 in Atlantic City, but six months later, “defaulted on interest payments to bondholders as his finances went into a tailspin,” The Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow found. In July 1991, Trump’s Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. He could not keep up with debts on two other Atlantic City casinos, and those two properties declared bankruptcy in 1992. A fourth property, the Plaza Hotel in New York, declared bankruptcy in 1992 after amassing debt.

PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard during the 2008 recession.

Why the discrepancy? Perhaps this will give us an idea: Trump told Washington Post reporters that he counted the first three bankruptcies as just one.

[Laxman]

19. Who's Counting.......

it'll be seven when you count the bankrupting of our country. Morally and financially.

[groundloop]

20. Well, I kind of prefer not to think of the USA as a 'trump property'

Although I'm sure he sees it that way.

And sorry to nit-pick, I just don't care to give the orange motherfucker one iota more credit (or more precisely one iota less criticism) than he deserves.

[at140]

28. We are now very prosperous, but not because of Trump

Trump does not create or produce or manufacture anything.
It is the American people who have worked hard, invested their hard earned capital at risk,
and now we are more prosperous than ever.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

17. Nice

[dhill926]

18. excellent summation...

[Whiskeytide]

22. Well done. Bookmarking for the next family gathering. n/t

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. k&r

[ismnotwasm]

24. Read an article from one recently

It was a fall back on Trump being a “political outsider”, and how we will never change their minds. Drain the swamp crap, not a real defense.

Hell I don’t try to change their minds. The thing to remember is that they are happy. They are content in Trump. He adds spice to their lives. They think his wife is either hot, or a classy lady. They like his family. It’s more about being anti-whatever than being pro-Trump policies.

It’s an interesting study, how hard they cling to what they think he stands for.

[G_j]

25. yep.. K&R

[yardwork]

26. "He hates the same people you hate."

It all boils down to that. Trump gives permission to all the people who want to blame other people for their problems.

[dubyadiprecession]

29. They lost their minds, when a black man was elected...

TWICE!!

[brooklynite]

30. Be that as it may, we want to win some of them back...

Not his base voters, but the 10% or so who VOTED FOR OBAMA and then switched in 2016.

[Initech]

31. Not to mention that they can literally pass off anything he does.

Trump said something stupid? It didn't happen. He insults a prime minister? Fake news. He accidentally assassinates a protected leader of a hostile foreign power? Inconclusive evidence plus the other guy supports terrorists.

I could go on and on. Must be nice not to have to read or think for yourself.