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Can Skinner or someone at the DNC find out the reason Romney is pulling out of PA, MI and WI? (Original Post) upaloopa Sep 2012 OP
There are only three possible reasons cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #1
3..... they are losing so there's no need to throw good money after bad.. NightWatcher Sep 2012 #12
Well, just to be accurate BlueStreak Sep 2012 #18
any war chest he has over I'm sure he'll find a way to launder it or pay family off.... NightWatcher Sep 2012 #25
Or 4. They're leaving it to the superpacs leftynyc Sep 2012 #14
According to the Detroit paper there are no pro-romney ads (PAC or otherwise) cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #15
I would think leftynyc Sep 2012 #26
4) they aren't trying very hard to win. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #20
4) The ads they have aren't working and they have to cut new ads. grantcart Sep 2012 #23
They are Blue States ? JI7 Sep 2012 #2
I just posted a thread that explains it. cali Sep 2012 #3
Link? n/t phylny Sep 2012 #28
Really? Is that true??? tblue Sep 2012 #4
Michigan has paper ballots. Votes can't be flipped so easily notadmblnd Sep 2012 #13
The Super-PACs will be doing the work for them rox63 Sep 2012 #5
Someone else suggested that he's going to let the PACs do it in those states BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #6
But, but, but, but wouldn't that be coordination between the PACs and the campaign? KamaAina Sep 2012 #11
Of course! They "not-coordinate" in "quiet rooms" at their fundraisers. BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #16
Apparently even Ham Rove GPS is pulling out of MI and PA. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2012 #21
Good, being in PA, I won't have to see that crap. BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #22
Apparently the superpacs are also pulling out. drm604 Sep 2012 #7
Only problem with that article is this BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #17
I've got the real story for you right here slackmaster Sep 2012 #8
I have a friend who's there with press credentials. drm604 Sep 2012 #9
My instinct tells me that the billionaire groups will go SUPERHEAVY NEGATIVE and Romney camp can blm Sep 2012 #10
Lies, lies, and damn lies. That's why. nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #19
He found out that women there use birth control. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #24
This pull-out makes no sense, so much that I really don't believe it. Ian_rd Sep 2012 #27
The campaign may be leaving those states as far as ads go, but SoCalDem Sep 2012 #29

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
1. There are only three possible reasons
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:04 PM
Sep 2012

1) He doesn't have the money.

NO.

2) They are in the bag for Romney so no more spending is needed.

NO.

3) Their polling suggests Obama is too far ahead in those states and their resources are better directed elsewhere.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
12. 3..... they are losing so there's no need to throw good money after bad..
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:20 PM
Sep 2012

R$ is greedy, dont forget so he doesnt want to waste HIS OWN money

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
18. Well, just to be accurate
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:47 PM
Sep 2012

I don't believe Romney has actually spent ANY of his own money in this campaign. He is playing a game called "Other Billionaires' Money", and I am guessing some of those billionaires are getting a little irritated seeing pictures of Romney playing in a motorboat when he should be out campaigning.

I am guessing the word has come down that some of those big purses are being closed, and that is why the campaign has cut off their ads in the states that are least likely targets.

But that tells us something. All three of those states (WI, PA, and MI) don't look completely out of reach. They all have a margin somewhere in the 5% to 10% range. If the Romney campaign had all the money that they are supposed to have, they would not be stopping those media buys this early. No way. You would keep the ads rnning and see if any of those states bend back your way.

I think it has all been a big bluff by the billionaires to try to press Pflouffe and Axelrod into mistakes. Nice try, but those guys are smart.

Not only do the billionaires not want to send good money after bad, they are probably getting some calls from Rahm Emmanuel right now asking them how well they expect to be treated by a second Obama administration if they keep dumping supertankers of money into the election. Notice that Rahm has taken on a special assignment of "fund raising." There are two ways to win at that. One is to bring in new money for Obama. The other is to stop the money flowing to Romney. My guess is the latter is what is going on.

For example, can anybody imagine this conversation from Rahm to David Koch?

"David, this money is not doing you any good and it is screwing with our democracy. Let me ask you this. When Obama wins in November, how do you think it would feel to have the Keystone pipeline shoved up your ass? If you want to have any help for the next 4 years, you'll stop writing those checks this afternoon. IN fact, you might want to think about sending some money to Democratic Super PACs, if you know what I mean."


Why else would Rahm have been brought back into the active inner circle at this stage?
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
14. Or 4. They're leaving it to the superpacs
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:23 PM
Sep 2012

to flood the airways with ads so freaking disgusting and full of lies that the campaign doesn't want them coming from them.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
15. According to the Detroit paper there are no pro-romney ads (PAC or otherwise)
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:27 PM
Sep 2012

I think it's a straightforward story. At this point in time they (the RW in general) are not three good states for them to expend energy on.

Bear in mind that they have polling on how much their ads run so far have moved people. If the electorates there are locked in place it would be diminishing returns.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. I would think
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 07:36 AM
Sep 2012

the superpacs would spend the money just so the President has to also then spend money in that market. Adelson has said he would commit $100 million to the campaign (he's such a schmuck).

tblue

(16,350 posts)
4. Really? Is that true???
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:06 PM
Sep 2012

I thought they had all these Repub-Governor states rigged already. I hope that's not why.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
13. Michigan has paper ballots. Votes can't be flipped so easily
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:21 PM
Sep 2012

They do have optical scan vote counting machines though. But there will be a paper trail.

BumRushDaShow

(129,197 posts)
6. Someone else suggested that he's going to let the PACs do it in those states
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:11 PM
Sep 2012

I.e., with the assumption that anything that would say "I'm Mitt Romney and I approve of this message" ads will go to his more shaky states.

The thing NOT being said here is that although Rmoney's team is out-fundraising "in total" (personal + PAC), I believe I saw somewhere that Obama's "personal" fundraising is out-doing Rmoney's but Rmoney's PACs are what is skewing his totals.

Of course I am in one of those states where he is supposed to be pulling out and I look forward to a break from Rmoney's fact-free ads.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. But, but, but, but wouldn't that be coordination between the PACs and the campaign?
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:18 PM
Sep 2012

As Stephen Colbert and his lawyer can tell you, the trick to this whole SuperPAC thing is to know how to NOT-COORDINATE!

BumRushDaShow

(129,197 posts)
17. Only problem with that article is this
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:42 PM
Sep 2012
President Barack Obama's campaign has been off the air in both Pennsylvania and Michigan for several weeks, even as Republican-leaning groups continued their efforts. Polling has shown Obama consistently leading Romney in the two states, but Romney backers have insisted there is opportunity for him to break through.


I have been seeing an Obama ad the past 2 weeks here in PA - specifically the Clinton one. It's been running every day, multiple times a day.

blm

(113,071 posts)
10. My instinct tells me that the billionaire groups will go SUPERHEAVY NEGATIVE and Romney camp can
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 04:17 PM
Sep 2012

claim their hands are clean with minimal buys and minimal backlash from corpmedia.

Ian_rd

(2,124 posts)
27. This pull-out makes no sense, so much that I really don't believe it.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 07:59 AM
Sep 2012

Even if Obama is well-ahead in those states, any smart Republican political strategist would still be spending money on ads there for one reason: To force Obama to spend money there too, thereby decreasing his war chest. Because that's where Romney has the advantage. Money. Romney can afford to waste money with the goal of forcing Obama to campaign on safe ground.

I'm not convinced Romney is really pulling out.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
29. The campaign may be leaving those states as far as ads go, but
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 10:44 AM
Sep 2012

the PACS will be there.. Count on it.. By announcing that the CAMPAIGN is not advertising there, they are creating a "distance" for the ugliness that's coming..

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