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What a beautiful quote from Elizabeth Warren (Original Post) Playinghardball Sep 2012 OP
This so true. But FLyellowdog Sep 2012 #1
Sorry, I am a dissenter - just because I am surrounded by wingnuts. I think this Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2012 #2
I'm with you there Still Sensible Sep 2012 #3
Respectfully disagree. "I got mine...(from where did they get it???) nanabugg Sep 2012 #5
Actually, it should be "I've got mine AND YOURS"! SharonAnn Sep 2012 #4

FLyellowdog

(4,276 posts)
1. This so true. But
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 12:46 PM
Sep 2012

it doesn't explain why so many who have so little still support the GOP. A large number of people vote against their own best interests and I can't understand why.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
2. Sorry, I am a dissenter - just because I am surrounded by wingnuts. I think this
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 12:48 PM
Sep 2012

plays into their hand about "handouts". Wouldn't have gone there, myself. But, I know others will disagree.

Still Sensible

(2,870 posts)
3. I'm with you there
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 01:24 PM
Sep 2012

When you look at the strange coalition that makes up today's GOP, I think it is easy to understand why certain elements are there. Clearly the banksters and unscrupulous corporatists have their agenda... The "limited government" faction is there and have evolved into an "all-taxes-are-bad" position, so I understand where they come from.... The fundamentalists are understandable jumping on the anti-choice and anti-rights bandwagon... There is even a faction of died-in-the-wool fiscal conservatives holding onto their old worn out theories on debt and trickle down.

The two factions that don't make rational sense are the libertarians and a sizable block of blue collar. Given the social and economic positions of the GOP, reason would say that these people have no business associating with the republican party. But these two groups are there because they've been convinced that our side is all about giving handouts to freeloaders. They've bought into the "welfare queen" meme, and the "poor by choice" meme and every other anecdotal bullshit argument of the theme.

When I talk to folks in these two groups--seemingly selective libertarians and some hard working middle class people--and try and understand why in the world they seem to want to vote against their own interests. This is the overwhelming reason. They've bought into the idea that the democrats just want to "give away their money" to people they believe don't deserve it. Of course, if they are collecting benefits, they believe they "earned" them. Such is the cognitive dissonance.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
5. Respectfully disagree. "I got mine...(from where did they get it???)
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 01:30 PM
Sep 2012

some from inheritance that was gained with the help of the government years ago?
some from subsidies and business support from the government???
some from embezzling from the rest of us????
some from robbing our pensions???
some from collecting from the very government programs they criticize and collect from now...Medicare, SS, tax credits etc???

Yes, just how did you get "yours??""

Now the rest of you don't deserve any help, especially from the government. Since you weren't born rich, you don't need, nor should you receive any help.

SharonAnn

(13,777 posts)
4. Actually, it should be "I've got mine AND YOURS"!
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 01:26 PM
Sep 2012

Because cutting their taxes increased our debt and lowered our services.

It also increased our local and state taxes because of reductions in Federal $.

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