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I had faith that our Generals would stop this MANIAC! (Original Post) bluestarone Jan 2020 OP
But Ohiogal Jan 2020 #1
he is their commander-in-cheat spanone Jan 2020 #2
The military is a far-right organization. Codeine Jan 2020 #3
They're obligated to follow his orders. BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2020 #4
following orders is not a defense and resigning is always an option nt msongs Jan 2020 #13
THIS!!! BUT bluestarone Jan 2020 #14
Not if they WANT to do these things. BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2020 #16
It was a lawful order StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #17
lots of orders given in the 1930's were lawful. that turned out badly nt msongs Jan 2020 #19
Those orders, while lawful, were immoral and unquestionably crimes against humanity. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #22
Don't know if killing cabinet level officials is lawful order, I'd like to see US law on that uponit7771 Jan 2020 #31
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #30
He's fired them all Maeve Jan 2020 #5
THIS is true! bluestarone Jan 2020 #6
That is the warning from anonymous, he has fired everyone that doc03 Jan 2020 #7
That would be coup-ish. We need the other branches. nolabear Jan 2020 #8
Maybe at some point in time (near future) The HOUSE bluestarone Jan 2020 #9
I don't want to live in a country where "generals" can override civilian rule PSPS Jan 2020 #10
If we had supported Democrasts in 2000,2004,2016 and all the mid terms...we would not be powerless. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #21
Great thread and AMEN to your post. Boomerproud Jan 2020 #24
Some people hoped the generals could talk him out of bad decisions StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #11
Choices are going to have to be made by someone. bluestarone Jan 2020 #12
And what can the house do without the Senate...maybe those messasge voters who were so pissed at Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #23
This is an unusual situation. smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #15
They presented the option to trump. He didn't think of it. Hoyt Jan 2020 #18
I feel sure someone did; you are right. Tipperary Jan 2020 #28
Why would you think that? He is the commander in chief....chain of command. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #20
blue, once we abandoned the Kurds via a LOSER45 tweet, I knew we were in deep, deep shit, Leghorn21 Jan 2020 #25
They sold out liberal N proud Jan 2020 #26
The Asylum is definitely in control of the inmates. Guilded Lilly Jan 2020 #27
I think you meant that the other way round? Tipperary Jan 2020 #29
You want our Generals to stop him? jcmaine72 Jan 2020 #32
Heh. moondust Jan 2020 #33
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
3. The military is a far-right organization.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:10 PM
Jan 2020

It’s chockablock with dimwits and know-nothings who are just as bellicose and aggressive as Trump. Believing for one moment that the military stand anything less than foursquare behind the Tangerine Idi Amin is self-delusion.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,493 posts)
4. They're obligated to follow his orders.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:12 PM
Jan 2020

And don’t think many of these generals aren’t right on board with starting an all out war. That’s their job, that’s what they like to do.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. Those orders, while lawful, were immoral and unquestionably crimes against humanity.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:26 PM
Jan 2020

The problem with this killing is not that it was immoral or a crime against humanity. The real problems were the lack of planning and foresight and the terrible geopolitical impact. Those aren't up to generals to assess or second-guess once the decision is made and the order given.

doc03

(35,351 posts)
7. That is the warning from anonymous, he has fired everyone that
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:22 PM
Jan 2020

disagrees with him and now he has nothing left but yes men. Everyone that disagrees with him loses their job, pension and
their reputation.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
8. That would be coup-ish. We need the other branches.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:23 PM
Jan 2020

The military is an arm, and shouldn’t be a branch, no matter how much I agree he needs to be stood up to. Congress needs to do nothing but raise hell until he has to face them, include them, and stop acting like a dictator.

bluestarone

(16,980 posts)
9. Maybe at some point in time (near future) The HOUSE
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:27 PM
Jan 2020

Needs to make a decision to maybe STOP financing certain things? (If it gets to a point where we have NO OTHER CHOICE)

PSPS

(13,603 posts)
10. I don't want to live in a country where "generals" can override civilian rule
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:28 PM
Jan 2020

It's the job of Congress to put a stop to this but, apparently, is powerless to do so because of Moscow Mitch and his duma full of russian sympathizers. The fact that we're three years into this nightmare indicates our system of government is horribly broken.

Demsrule86

(68,600 posts)
21. If we had supported Democrasts in 2000,2004,2016 and all the mid terms...we would not be powerless.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:26 PM
Jan 2020

Elections have consequences...and I hope people remember this next time and don't send message votes or opine the parties are the same...you want Democrats to fix things...vote for them...I don't mean you in particular but in the general sense of the word...vote blue no matter who...nothing will change until we do.

Boomerproud

(7,957 posts)
24. Great thread and AMEN to your post.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:31 PM
Jan 2020

Three years of unchecked insanity. Not happy, but relieved, I'm a senior and don't have many years left.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
11. Some people hoped the generals could talk him out of bad decisions
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jan 2020

But it's now clear that it's not possible for anyone to talk him out of anything he really wants to do. And the generals are not going to disobey a lawful order.

So, here we are ... looking at further proof of why you don't allow an amoral crazy person to assume the most powerful office in the world and hope that people who report to him will keep him from behaving like an amoral crazy person.

bluestarone

(16,980 posts)
12. Choices are going to have to be made by someone.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jan 2020

I feel we are BEYOND anything that has EVER happened to our country! I hope the House will call an IMMEDIATE Session to figure something out!

Demsrule86

(68,600 posts)
23. And what can the house do without the Senate...maybe those messasge voters who were so pissed at
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:27 PM
Jan 2020

Obama in 14 should have voted for some Democratic Senators...we would have an extra justice too if some had.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
15. This is an unusual situation.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jan 2020

The man is completely insane and willing to do anything to seek revenge and divert attention from his current domestic problems. Somebody or many people have got to stop him before he blows up the world. He is out of control and needs to be restrained.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
25. blue, once we abandoned the Kurds via a LOSER45 tweet, I knew we were in deep, deep shit,
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:37 PM
Jan 2020

and that all bets are off when it comes to “adults pushing back”

bad, bad deal

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
32. You want our Generals to stop him?
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:55 AM
Jan 2020

I think I prefer that he be stopped this coming election, or via impeachment. Once Generals are asked to "stop" any political leader, no matter how despised, there's always a good chance....a great chance, in fact....that they'll simply take it one step further and seize power for themselves. It's called a military coup, and history is replete with countless examples of why involving the military in decisions of government on any level is an extraordinarily bad idea.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
33. Heh.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 02:39 AM
Jan 2020

I remember in 2003 hoping to see tanks on the White House lawn if necessary to prevent the imminent foolish invasion of Iraq after millions of people around the world took to the streets to protest.

Didn't happen.

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