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NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:14 AM Jan 2020

HUGE - Deutsche Bank Whistleblower reports Trump loans backed by Russian VTB Bank

BREAKING: A Deutsche Bank whistleblower has told the FBI that the Russian state-owned bank VTB underwrote Trump's loans:

Looks like Lawrence O'Donnell is owed an apology.



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Link to the article in the tweet since the original link has crashed
https://www.scribd.com/document/441601742/Forensic-News-Article-12-3

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HUGE - Deutsche Bank Whistleblower reports Trump loans backed by Russian VTB Bank (Original Post) NewJeffCT Jan 2020 OP
The Forensic News site link in the story has crashed due to being overwhelmed NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #1
Stedman's an excellent journalist octoberlib Jan 2020 #34
Isn't this what Lawrence O'Donnell scooped and then retracted? Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #62
It's what the NYT reported back in October jberryhill Jan 2020 #65
Very interesting. Also, from MSNBC Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #71
Yes DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #88
Thanks for that clarification! Kinda felt when it happened Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #119
he posted this in case the other one didn't work Linda Ed Jan 2020 #95
this appears to be repackaged (and thinly sourced) news stopdiggin Jan 2020 #103
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your reque trueblue2007 Jan 2020 #114
It has crashed or was it crashed? malaise Jan 2020 #2
I added in a link to the article NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #8
I share your questioning at #7 malaise Jan 2020 #9
tRump owes Linda Ed Jan 2020 #100
It's a mom's basement operation, without solid hosting jberryhill Jan 2020 #29
Your cynicism is always malaise Jan 2020 #33
Thank you jberryhill Jan 2020 #35
But this must be true because it said so on the Twitter StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #37
See my edit jberryhill Jan 2020 #38
Stris & Maher LLP James48 Jan 2020 #44
Because Eric Trump pretty much admitted to it Drahthaardogs Jan 2020 #48
Why would his tax returns show who underwrote a loan through the bank? jberryhill Jan 2020 #60
Tax returns from business's would show infusions of cash in or out because Trump ... IS ... stupid uponit7771 Jan 2020 #125
It makes no sense jberryhill Jan 2020 #138
If Trump was suspected of tax fraud via under or overstating assets then that would show up in uponit7771 Jan 2020 #139
And consistent. triron Jan 2020 #110
+1, I think its needed though ... keeps DU from silo reverb uponit7771 Jan 2020 #124
I see your point. triron Jan 2020 #128
Now you know why he would never criticize Putin... kentuck Jan 2020 #3
He's been laundering money for the Russian mob for decades True_Blue Jan 2020 #58
Kick dalton99a Jan 2020 #4
So Trump was laundering money for the Russians? Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #15
DUH! That's been apparent for a while now. /nt bitterross Jan 2020 #47
almost certainly. but not what the OP says. (nt) stopdiggin Jan 2020 #104
brilliant cartoon. n/t MBS Jan 2020 #22
Another great cartoon. calimary Jan 2020 #43
And the person who helped him suicided a few weeks ago... Cetacea Jan 2020 #5
How convenient. calimary Jan 2020 #41
Ah, but number two, the woman who worked directly for him.... Brother Buzz Jan 2020 #64
Really? Link? If so, it seems awfully suspicious KPN Jan 2020 #73
His wife died in 2017 and his new fiancee had just broken up with him jberryhill Jan 2020 #81
Secret agents killed him? Cetacea Jan 2020 #132
Iran Contra/Danny Cetacea Jan 2020 #133
K & R PA Democrat Jan 2020 #6
I wonder if the timing of the Iran assassination NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #7
+1 Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #16
+2 Oppaloopa Jan 2020 #135
Exactly shanti Jan 2020 #70
And now ladies and gentlemen, we present to you the audience, the smoking gun! pecosbob Jan 2020 #10
Here's what angers me the most ScratchCat Jan 2020 #11
I agree with most of this. Not sure impeachment KPN Jan 2020 #77
The shoe finally dropped. Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #12
Anybody who is surprised has not been paying attention... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #13
Yep. triron Jan 2020 #51
THIS. KPN Jan 2020 #78
DU tends to operate on the basis of collective memory issues jberryhill Jan 2020 #86
Am I mistaken, or wasn't VTB a sanctioned bank? Firestorm49 Jan 2020 #14
yes, I believe they are sanctioned NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #19
Pretty sure you're right, but IOKIYAR... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #20
It is, and Trump and his spawn still owe VTB 400 million which they'll never repay pecosbob Jan 2020 #21
They're under US sectoral sanctions lanlady Jan 2020 #106
K and R. n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #17
This is why he is willing to go to Supreme Court to keep anyone from seeing financial records. kentuck Jan 2020 #18
Everybody sees how dirty he is... dchill Jan 2020 #23
Exactly. It makes no difference to Pukes. LakeArenal Jan 2020 #26
Spot on. The erosion of ethics in governance KPN Jan 2020 #80
Is this the reason for trump's illegal attack? Fullduplexxx Jan 2020 #24
So it took the FBI 2 years to respond to the complaint? Seriously? WTF KewlKat Jan 2020 #25
Surprised it didn't get buried as soon as Barr came on board. spanone Jan 2020 #108
While I don't doubt any of that, hope report is corroborated by reputable sources. Hoyt Jan 2020 #27
Reputable sources? jberryhill Jan 2020 #31
Yes. If he really has the goods, then I hope he shares Mersky Jan 2020 #36
forensicnews.net again jberryhill Jan 2020 #28
I've run into them before but don't know either. I was looking Hortensis Jan 2020 #107
Is this a new article of impeachment? That he defrauded America throughout his election? ancianita Jan 2020 #30
I saw this morning that Congressman Ted Lieu is yellowdogintexas Jan 2020 #122
Duh! Doturd is owned by Russia.... AZ8theist Jan 2020 #32
that is the bdamomma Jan 2020 #140
K&R UTUSN Jan 2020 #39
Some context on this source Pale Blue Dot Jan 2020 #40
Good to hear that Deutsch/trump is still being pushed on public side. empedocles Jan 2020 #45
Hope it has legs jeffreyi Jan 2020 #74
It's collective Alzheimer's here jberryhill Jan 2020 #84
Fascinating and bizarre read - thanks. klook Jan 2020 #96
The book can be pre-ordered now jberryhill Jan 2020 #101
Yep, took a peek on Goodreads. Thanks. klook Jan 2020 #109
And this is why Pelosi is slow-walking impeachment. JaneQPublic Jan 2020 #42
Interesting note James48 Jan 2020 #46
MSNBC fucked up big time. No surprise. (in forcing Lawrence O'Donnell to retract this some time ago) triron Jan 2020 #49
Stedman just made reference to this... OneGrassRoot Jan 2020 #53
A second source is even better. OnDoutside Jan 2020 #68
Yep malaise Jan 2020 #134
All along I wondered if origination was bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #50
Putting money into Trump was the best investment Putin ever made. keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #52
Malicious attacks against that site, alternate link OneGrassRoot Jan 2020 #54
Also... OneGrassRoot Jan 2020 #56
It's the son of the Deutsche Bank exec who committed suicide... OneGrassRoot Jan 2020 #57
You should read through his twitter posts.... OneGrassRoot Jan 2020 #59
Every day the GOP do nothing to trump duforsure Jan 2020 #55
No. The GOP (r)euglicons are complicit and implicated also. erronis Jan 2020 #61
Don't forget Anthony Kennedy's son worked for Deutche Bank - Kavanaugh on SCOTUS erronis Jan 2020 #63
yep. kentuck Jan 2020 #87
Yes. crickets Jan 2020 #141
K&R...⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Jan 2020 #66
Maybe we should cut Trump a break? gab13by13 Jan 2020 #67
So he ordered the hit shanti Jan 2020 #69
SO WHY ISN'T EVEN ONE MAJOR NEWS OUTLET TALKING ABOUT THIS!? infullview Jan 2020 #72
the media loves to cover war NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #79
THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTED IT IN OCTOBER! jberryhill Jan 2020 #82
Stedman says that his source is different NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #91
Are you joking? jberryhill Jan 2020 #93
So all of these sources had the same stuff, and the info is so unreliable that no one infullview Jan 2020 #97
Dunno jberryhill Jan 2020 #99
Perhaps real news outlets want to vet a sensational story before publishing it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #83
Is anybody really that surprised by this? calimary Jan 2020 #75
So Trump, too unreliable for US Banks, was underwritten by the Russian state bank. Kablooie Jan 2020 #76
Trump is a walking crime syndicate OliverQ Jan 2020 #85
The DEPLORABLE base doesn't care. Putin could occupy NoMoreRepugs Jan 2020 #89
The base are just waiting greymattermom Jan 2020 #102
Don't allow this to be buried in other news! nature-lover Jan 2020 #90
Kick and rec big time for the gatekeepers. Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #92
Makes me wonder Linda Ed Jan 2020 #94
I remember his whines that he doesn't deal w/ anything Russian...what a crock of crap... SWBTATTReg Jan 2020 #98
Ah, so this is why Trump started a war with Iran. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #105
Of course. Don' doubt it for a second. triron Jan 2020 #111
there are also the two court cases today NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #113
Kick for visibility - this is HUGE Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #112
Could put the Roseneft sale and Steele dossier and Carter Page back in the spotlight elias7 Jan 2020 #115
Good! Mueller fucked up. triron Jan 2020 #117
+1, and fucked up even more not explaining why he didn't do some of the basics when it came to uponit7771 Jan 2020 #123
yes but I was meaning that in an encompassing sense. Perhaps a lot of it was from being stymied by triron Jan 2020 #129
I think he was more obstructed than anything else. The obstruction worked. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #127
Surprise, surprise, surprise. warmfeet Jan 2020 #116
K and R Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #118
Kick. This is Definitely what trump diverting from imho. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #120
What's the word for Russian-owned again? Oh, yeah: trump. n/t Beartracks Jan 2020 #121
The article described him as a whistle blower. RDANGELO Jan 2020 #126
Not a whistleblower grantcart Jan 2020 #137
This better get in the G D front page if every paper and mahina Jan 2020 #130
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Jan 2020 #131
KICK⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Jan 2020 #136
knr triron Jan 2020 #142

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
1. The Forensic News site link in the story has crashed due to being overwhelmed
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:15 AM
Jan 2020

but, Scott Stedman is a damn good journalist, so I believe him.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
34. Stedman's an excellent journalist
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:06 PM
Jan 2020

and has broken quite a few stories. Other reporters steal his stuff all the time without attribution.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
65. It's what the NYT reported back in October
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jan 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/business/val-broeksmit-deutsche-bank-trump-whistle-blower.html

One sunny Wednesday in February, a gangly man in a sports jacket and a partly unbuttoned paisley shirt walked into the Los Angeles field office of the F.B.I. At the reception desk, he gave his name — Val Broeksmit — and began to pace anxiously in the lobby.

Mr. Broeksmit couldn’t believe he was voluntarily meeting with the F.B.I. An unemployed rock musician with a history of opioid abuse and credit card theft, not to mention a dalliance with North Korea-linked hackers, he was accustomed to shunning if not fearing law enforcement. But two investigators had flown from the bureau’s New York office specifically to speak with him, and Mr. Broeksmit had found their invitation too seductive to resist. Now the agents arrived in the lobby and escorted him upstairs.


https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/463843-former-deutsche-bank-executives-son-secretly-helped-fbis

The Times reported that Broeksmit told the FBI that the bank has a culture of “fraud and dirt" and told investigators his story. Agents told Broeksmit he could have a special advisory title and pledged to keep him updated on the investigation, according to the newspaper. They also reportedly allowed him to let the public know of his status as a witness in the investigation and helped his French girlfriend get a visa.

“I am more emotionally invested in this than anyone in the world,” Broeksmit told the Times of his work with the FBI. “I would love to be their special informer.”

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) also subpoenaed Broeksmit after trying to persuade him to work with the committee, the Times reported. Broeksmit reportedly asked to be a paid consultant, which the paper described as a non-starter.


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Nobody liked this story the first time around, I guess.
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
71. Very interesting. Also, from MSNBC
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jan 2020

At the start of his MSNBC show The Last Word on Wednesday, host Lawrence O’Donnell apologized for his report that Russian billionaires co-signed Deutsche Bank loans to Donald Trump, hours after one of the president’s lawyers issued a legal threat and demanded a retraction.

O’Donnell said that his single-sourced story from Tuesday night “wasn’t ready for broadcast, and for that, I apologize.”

“I should not have said it on air or posted it on Twitter.”

“Tonight we are retracting the story,” he told viewers. He said that he does not know if the story is true, but it was not ready for primetime. “Saying, ‘if true,’ was simply not good enough,” he said

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
88. Yes
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jan 2020

O'Donnell said upfront it was only one source, but one he considered reliable. Trump threw a fit and MSNBC forced O'Donnell to apologize although he did not actually retract his report.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
119. Thanks for that clarification! Kinda felt when it happened
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 09:10 PM
Jan 2020

that it was real. Trying to gauge what a Trumper would say. How could they justify a president having loans with an enemy foreign power? And hiding it!!!

stopdiggin

(11,308 posts)
103. this appears to be repackaged (and thinly sourced) news
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 05:01 PM
Jan 2020

centering on a VERY shaky witness. (and calling Broeksmit shaky is if anything an understatement)

"but, Scott Stedman is a damn good journalist, so I believe him."

In this case, I think it would have been prudent to wait for some corroboration and additional sources. Same story, same "source," has been trotted out .. and then walked back .. previously by other news outlets. If there's something new here please highlight it for me.

(The underlying premise of the OP, that Russia underwrote Trump loans, could very well be solid .. but this story doesn't really go any way toward establishing that. Sadly.)

trueblue2007

(17,218 posts)
114. The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your reque
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jan 2020


The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator at webmaster@forensicnews.thefactmandate.com to inform them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just before this error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. I added in a link to the article
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:25 AM
Jan 2020

that has the Forensic News info - VTB is a state owned bank, meaning Putin is the ultimate boss.

Linda Ed

(493 posts)
100. tRump owes
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 04:16 PM
Jan 2020

tRump owes almost four billion USA dollars to more than 70 banks, and only the Russian Mafia (via Deutsche Bank) would give tRump more money. Note that 70% of tRump's real estate sales have gone to Russian Mafia members--- we knew this in year 2015.

Explosive report indicates that Donald Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank were backed by Russia

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
29. It's a mom's basement operation, without solid hosting
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:00 PM
Jan 2020

The site is basically just a couple of people who've been posting "interesting" news for a few months.

But that passes for a credible source for the "Wow I found something on Twitter, so I'll believe" crowd.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
35. Thank you
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jan 2020

It's not cynicism.

Explain why I should believe someone I don't know.

Quite often, that question can be resolved by corroboration (and not just other re-tellings of the same report), a track record of some kind, association with an institution which enforces standards, or some other reason to give credence to a stranger.

I doubt that you simply believe things that strangers come up and tell you on the street.

Does that make you a "cynic"?

No, but for some reason, people turn off all common sense when they read something on Twitter that gets posted.

There could be all kinds of reasons to put credence in this person. Just explain what they are.

This is a low-rent hosted website which has existed for a few months. Tell me why I should trust them.

You want to know Stedman's day job?

Social Media Strategist
Company Name Stris & Maher LLP
Dates EmployedApr 2019 – Dec 2019
Employment Duration 9 mos

You want to help me out with what a "Social Media Strategist" does?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
38. See my edit
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jan 2020

Posted on Twitter by a professional "Social Media Strategist" who, until a few days ago, worked for a litigation firm.

Uh-huh, okay.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
48. Because Eric Trump pretty much admitted to it
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:39 PM
Jan 2020

Years ago. It's why Trump doesn't want his tax returns released

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
60. Why would his tax returns show who underwrote a loan through the bank?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:09 PM
Jan 2020

I'm sorry, but I'm not much of a tax person. Could you please connect the dots between what someone's tax returns would show on the one hand, and what the internal financing of the bank in question would be on the other?

Like, I take a deduction on my business taxes for my malpractice insurance, for example. If the mob was underwriting that insurance company, how would that manifest itself on my tax return?

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
125. Tax returns from business's would show infusions of cash in or out because Trump ... IS ... stupid
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:44 PM
Jan 2020

... enough to show them for deductions so he doesn't have to pay taxes.

Yes, ... hes that stupid and greedy when it comes to money.

He's famine level broke minded when it comes to finances ... always greasy.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
138. It makes no sense
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 06:21 PM
Jan 2020

I run a business. I file tax returns. I report interest paid on business loans. There is not a single piece of paper that would indicate where my bank got the money it loaned me.

So, again, please tell me what schedule or for what purpose Trump’s taxes, or those of his businesses, would show that a loan received from Deutsche Bank was underwritten by Russian mobsters.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
139. If Trump was suspected of tax fraud via under or overstating assets then that would show up in
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 06:46 PM
Jan 2020

... loan underwriting and approval process

True_Blue

(3,063 posts)
58. He's been laundering money for the Russian mob for decades
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jan 2020

He'll do exactly what they tell him to do.

Brother Buzz

(36,434 posts)
64. Ah, but number two, the woman who worked directly for him....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:25 PM
Jan 2020

and actually did all the work is alive, and as I understand, cooperating.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
73. Really? Link? If so, it seems awfully suspicious
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:04 PM
Jan 2020

but suspicion is normal these days. We’d be nuts not to have suspicions. “Just because your paranoid doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be.”

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
81. His wife died in 2017 and his new fiancee had just broken up with him
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:37 PM
Jan 2020

But, of course, it was secret agents who left him hanging....

https://thelocalmalibu.com/former-deutsche-bank-executive-linked-to-trump-loans-commits-suicide-in-malibu/

Bowers who has three children, was widowed in 2017, and reportedly became engaged this summer to a longtime Malibu local he had known since childhood. According to our sources, the two broke up shortly before Bowers committed suicide.

Cetacea

(7,367 posts)
132. Secret agents killed him?
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:06 AM
Jan 2020

I'm sightly Aspergic, so sarcasm and rudeness sometimes are tricky for me. I deal with it by trying to avoid ass hats. Not that I think that you are one.
Thanks for the info. Sad.

Epstein hanged himself as well. It's the new rage.

Strange things happen when Barr is around:
https://www.ire.org/resource-center/stories/9504/

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
7. I wonder if the timing of the Iran assassination
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:24 AM
Jan 2020

was because somebody at the FBI told Trump that this story was dropping - on top of the two big court cases.

pecosbob

(7,538 posts)
10. And now ladies and gentlemen, we present to you the audience, the smoking gun!
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:28 AM
Jan 2020

Last edited Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Impeachment, federal charges, state charges...bye bye Trump Inc.

Boilerplate caveat...

ScratchCat

(1,990 posts)
11. Here's what angers me the most
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jan 2020

That this is not "news".

This wasn't simply known, it was known by plenty of people who could have a)proven it and b)prevented Trump from even gaining the GOP nomination, let alone the Presidency. But they didn't..

Anyone with a brain can look at the statements from him and his sons over the years, look at his bankruptcies, look at the South Florida land sale to a Russian billionaire, look at all his actions towards Russia.... and one would conclude, to err on the side of caution, to not let Trump be President. But they didn't...

So far, one person - ONE - has called for him to resign, and that's Anthony Scarramucci. Democrats are becoming complicit in this more and more each day. Impeachment for an actual crime should have begun shortly after Michael Cohen's testimony that Trump is "Individual #1" and that they conspired to pay women for their silence in violation of federal election law.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
77. I agree with most of this. Not sure impeachment
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jan 2020

based on Cohen would have gotten any traction. Nevertheless, tRumps crimes have been conspicuously obvious for sure —making this situation all the more frustrating as well as somewhat disenchanting.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
13. Anybody who is surprised has not been paying attention...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jan 2020

Hell, Don Jr bragged about being propped up with Russian money long before the election.



I haven't changed my sig line since the election.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
86. DU tends to operate on the basis of collective memory issues
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jan 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212530426#post56


https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062878816/dark-towers/



Soon, the bank was manipulating markets, violating international sanctions to aid terrorist regimes, scamming investors, defrauding regulators, and laundering money for Russian oligarchs. Ever desperate for an American foothold, Deutsche also started doing business with a self-promoting real estate magnate nearly every other bank in the world deemed too dangerous to touch: Donald Trump. Over the next twenty years, Deutsche executives loaned billions to Trump, the Kushner family, and an array of scandal-tarred clients, including convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Dark Towers is the never-before-told saga of how Deutsche Bank became the global face of financial recklessness and criminality—the corporate equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction. It is also the story of a man who was consumed by fear of what he’d seen at the bank—and his son’s obsessive search for the secrets he kept.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
19. yes, I believe they are sanctioned
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:38 AM
Jan 2020

but, as you know with Barr and Trump, if Trump does it, it's not illegal.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
20. Pretty sure you're right, but IOKIYAR...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:38 AM
Jan 2020

Remember, Cheney was dealing with Iran back in the day.

Money knows no loyalties.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
18. This is why he is willing to go to Supreme Court to keep anyone from seeing financial records.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:35 AM
Jan 2020

A frigging disaster!

dchill

(38,493 posts)
23. Everybody sees how dirty he is...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jan 2020

...and NOBODY will do anything about it. The kompromat must be incredibly deep and wide.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
80. Spot on. The erosion of ethics in governance
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:19 PM
Jan 2020

has reached critical mass - but it has been going on and gaining speed for quite some time. Even those who took the high road were and are complicit in my view. Instead of turning off a spigot, we are now faced with stopping a gargantuan waterfall — and the fate of our nation and perhaps the globe are in its balance.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
31. Reputable sources?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jan 2020

It was posted by some guy on Twitter who has been running a website for a couple of months now. If that's not reputable, I don't know what is.

Geez, what do you want?

Mersky

(4,981 posts)
36. Yes. If he really has the goods, then I hope he shares
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jan 2020

them with multiple reputable news organizations. Need to get some of these points corroborated and soberly laid out.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
28. forensicnews.net again
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jan 2020

Hey, Jeff, could you fill us in on this website, who runs it, and what sort of other stories it has done?

Is this a site you read regularly?

It's been in existence a few months, and has had some "interesting" stories in the past.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
107. I've run into them before but don't know either. I was looking
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 05:17 PM
Jan 2020

up 23-year-old founder Scott M. Stedman when I ran into this. I have no opinion on it.


yellowdogintexas

(22,252 posts)
122. I saw this morning that Congressman Ted Lieu is
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:15 PM
Jan 2020

investigating. I hope this is true and hearing start very soon.

AZ8theist

(5,464 posts)
32. Duh! Doturd is owned by Russia....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jan 2020

In other news, water is wet.

Some of us knew this thirty years ago. Too bad we are a nation of fucking idiots.

bdamomma

(63,849 posts)
140. that is the
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:50 AM
Jan 2020

problem the dumbing down of Americans, which has been happening for quite a while now.

Pale Blue Dot

(16,831 posts)
40. Some context on this source
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:21 PM
Jan 2020

[link:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/business/val-broeksmit-deutsche-bank-trump-whistle-blower.html|

From the article:

"An endless procession of bank executives and friends of the Broeksmit family have warned me that Mr. Broeksmit is not to be trusted, and, well, they might have a point. His drug use has sent him reeling between manias and stupors. He has a maddening habit of leaping to outrageous conclusions and then bending facts to fit far-fetched theories. He fantasizes about seeing his story told by Hollywood, and I sometimes wonder whether he’s manipulating me to achieve that ambition. He can be impatient, erratic and abusive. A few days ago, irate that he was not named in a blurb for my book on Amazon, among other perceived slights, he sent me a string of texts claiming that he’d taken out a brokerage account in my name and traded on secret information I’d supposedly fed him. (This is not true.) A little later, he left me a voice mail message saying it was all a joke."

The article goes on to back up whatever claims Broeksmit makes that can be corroborated.

It seems likely that Broeksmit was also the single source on O'Donnell's story. While we may all (rightly) believe that Russian is behind these loans, I think we need to view this source with skepticism until there is some corroboration.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
45. Good to hear that Deutsch/trump is still being pushed on public side.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:30 PM
Jan 2020

On the investigative side, back at Deutsch big settlement with NY AG, etc., there would seem to be a lot of information uncovered already, and more to come.

klook

(12,155 posts)
96. Fascinating and bizarre read - thanks.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jan 2020

Somehow I missed the details on this when it broke. Broeksmit The Younger is a fucking mess personally, but (even though he was trying to monetize the information) he did a good thing by sharing details from his late father’s Deutsche Bank career.

The February launch of Enrich’s book will be interesting. (Love that the author’s name is “Enrich” — another case of a person ending up in a career related to their surname.)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
101. The book can be pre-ordered now
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 04:17 PM
Jan 2020

https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062878816/dark-towers/



Soon, the bank was manipulating markets, violating international sanctions to aid terrorist regimes, scamming investors, defrauding regulators, and laundering money for Russian oligarchs. Ever desperate for an American foothold, Deutsche also started doing business with a self-promoting real estate magnate nearly every other bank in the world deemed too dangerous to touch: Donald Trump. Over the next twenty years, Deutsche executives loaned billions to Trump, the Kushner family, and an array of scandal-tarred clients, including convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Dark Towers is the never-before-told saga of how Deutsche Bank became the global face of financial recklessness and criminality—the corporate equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction. It is also the story of a man who was consumed by fear of what he’d seen at the bank—and his son’s obsessive search for the secrets he kept.

klook

(12,155 posts)
109. Yep, took a peek on Goodreads. Thanks.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 05:42 PM
Jan 2020

Not sure I really need to own a copy of this book, but the library waiting list (when they get it in) will no doubt be months long. Maybe Costco will have it at a discount. Just in time for Valentine’s Day! Romantic ain’t I?

BTW, I appreciate your comments in this thread. Many of us have been on hair-trigger outrage alert constantly for the past 3+ years and can be susceptible to questionable sources if we’re not careful. It’s good to take a breath sometimes and not jump at every “revelation” of months-old information.

James48

(4,436 posts)
46. Interesting note
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:34 PM
Jan 2020

As of 11:30 am, the domain THEFACTMANDATE.COM cannot be reached.

Nor can the WHOIS lookup for the domain name server. It appears BOTH are currently experiencing a coordinated real-time Denial of Service attack.

Now who is capable of doing a real-time dual denial of service attack?

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
53. Stedman just made reference to this...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jan 2020

saying it's a different source. Though you probably already saw that.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
50. All along I wondered if origination was
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:50 PM
Jan 2020

Reichsbank 1945

Glad they've gotten to the bottom of it. Deep throat really gave Woodward and Bernstein solid advice.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
54. Malicious attacks against that site, alternate link
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:56 PM
Jan 2020

Stedman says he doesn't even have control of the control panel right now.

Here's an alternate link though

https://www.scribd.com/document/441601742/Forensic-News-Article-12-3

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
56. Also...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:00 PM
Jan 2020

The O'Donnell story was about an additional loan co-signed by Russian oligarchs, not prior loans underwritten by a Russian bank.

Stedman also revealed the whistleblower (w/approval of whistleblower); trying to find that again now.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
57. It's the son of the Deutsche Bank exec who committed suicide...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jan 2020

Now I'm wondering what is different about the news Stedman posted versus what he has already revealed publicly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/business/val-broeksmit-deutsche-bank-trump-whistle-blower.html

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
55. Every day the GOP do nothing to trump
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:59 PM
Jan 2020

Means more will expose trump and them conspiring against our country, and it means more GOP will be exposed and voted out of office. Before long GOP members will be begging the Democrats to help them impeach him ASAP, and before Moscow Mitch and many others are connected to Russian funneled money and considered co-conspirators and exposed and charged too. It's coming out almost daily now. Was this behind trump and Putin instigating this Iran crisis and attack. Sure looks like it.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
63. Don't forget Anthony Kennedy's son worked for Deutche Bank - Kavanaugh on SCOTUS
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:24 PM
Jan 2020

Too many coincidences.

VTB/Putin money buying the supreme court as well as most of the (r)epuglicons in congress.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
67. Maybe we should cut Trump a break?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jan 2020

What about the mansion in Florida that Trump bought for 40 million dollars and sold it to a Russian oligarch for 95 million dollars and no one ever moved in to the house? It was later bulldozed over.
What about the Trump tower in Baku, Azerbaijan that never opened for business but laundered money for the Iranian Republican Guard?

I wonder if the sources for those stories are also reputable?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
79. the media loves to cover war
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:16 PM
Jan 2020

In 2017, Trump had a few missiles launched at an empty airfield in Syria and the media covered it nonstop for days and he had a short-lived bump in the polls because of it.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
82. THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTED IT IN OCTOBER!
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jan 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/business/val-broeksmit-deutsche-bank-trump-whistle-blower.html

One sunny Wednesday in February, a gangly man in a sports jacket and a partly unbuttoned paisley shirt walked into the Los Angeles field office of the F.B.I. At the reception desk, he gave his name — Val Broeksmit — and began to pace anxiously in the lobby.

Mr. Broeksmit couldn’t believe he was voluntarily meeting with the F.B.I. An unemployed rock musician with a history of opioid abuse and credit card theft, not to mention a dalliance with North Korea-linked hackers, he was accustomed to shunning if not fearing law enforcement. But two investigators had flown from the bureau’s New York office specifically to speak with him, and Mr. Broeksmit had found their invitation too seductive to resist. Now the agents arrived in the lobby and escorted him upstairs.

They wanted to talk about Deutsche Bank — one of the world’s largest and most troubled financial institutions, and the bank of choice to the president of the United States. Mr. Broeksmit’s late father, Bill, had been a senior executive there, and his son possessed a cache of confidential bank documents that provided a tantalizing glimpse of its internal workings. Some of the documents were password-protected, and there was no telling what secrets they held or how explosive they could be.



As did The Hill:

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/463843-former-deutsche-bank-executives-son-secretly-helped-fbis


As did Lawrence O'Donnell, and....

As did DU:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212530426

Just because the story has been repackaged, does not mean it was not reported before.

In fact, you can buy the book, which is on pre-order:

https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062878816/dark-towers/



Soon, the bank was manipulating markets, violating international sanctions to aid terrorist regimes, scamming investors, defrauding regulators, and laundering money for Russian oligarchs. Ever desperate for an American foothold, Deutsche also started doing business with a self-promoting real estate magnate nearly every other bank in the world deemed too dangerous to touch: Donald Trump. Over the next twenty years, Deutsche executives loaned billions to Trump, the Kushner family, and an array of scandal-tarred clients, including convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Dark Towers is the never-before-told saga of how Deutsche Bank became the global face of financial recklessness and criminality—the corporate equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction. It is also the story of a man who was consumed by fear of what he’d seen at the bank—and his son’s obsessive search for the secrets he kept.





NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
91. Stedman says that his source is different
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jan 2020

if I'm not mistaken. I'd check Twitter, but for some reason, my account was suspended.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
93. Are you joking?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:37 PM
Jan 2020

Do you seriously mean to suggest that you did not read the article which is the subject of your own OP?

Stedman re-posted it to Scribd because of issues with his cheap hosting:

https://www.scribd.com/document/441601742/Forensic-News-Article-12-3

The article is practically entirely about Val Broeksmit, and the information which Broeksmit has been making available for months.

There is utterly no way that one could have read that article and come away with the impression that "his source is different".

It's not seriously possible to have gotten the impression that "his source was different".

infullview

(981 posts)
97. So all of these sources had the same stuff, and the info is so unreliable that no one
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 04:10 PM
Jan 2020

is attempting to prosecute? I saw the Lawrence O'Donnell retraction. It wasn't pretty. Even if this is all true, then because it's single sourced no one will act on it even if absolutely true.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
99. Dunno
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 04:15 PM
Jan 2020

The NYT piece is interesting, and covers some the colorful aspects of the source. Presumably the documents speak for themselves, but it would seem that every other news organization has wanted some additional confirmation.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
76. So Trump, too unreliable for US Banks, was underwritten by the Russian state bank.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jan 2020

Trump was unable to get loans from any US or International banks because he was known to regularly default on them.
Deutsche Bank took him on because they had a guarantee that if he didn't pay, the Russian state bank would.
Hmm...
Sounds like one of the most classic politically compromising, money laundering schemes that anyone could gin up.

The article said they could not confirm the claim but I hope they reveal documented proof soon.

---

Now watch the Republicans unanimously protect him.
They have no concern at all about their leader being totally compromised by our adversary.
Nothing matters but keeping power even if it means handing over the leadership of the US over to the Kremlin.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
85. Trump is a walking crime syndicate
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020

and not only does he face no real consequences, he gets to start another war.

I really hate this country. I'm so fed up with the corrupt criminals getting away with everything with no real way to stop them.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,425 posts)
89. The DEPLORABLE base doesn't care. Putin could occupy
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jan 2020

the White House and they wouldn’t care. Too damn many people here at DU don’t realize the extent of the level of utter stupidity that exists in our Republic.

Linda Ed

(493 posts)
94. Makes me wonder
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:55 PM
Jan 2020

Makes me wonder where Justice Kennedy and his son are involved now and if this will come out. Strong possibility that trump is trying to start a War with Iran to distract from Russia backing his Bank Loans.

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
98. I remember his whines that he doesn't deal w/ anything Russian...what a crock of crap...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 04:15 PM
Jan 2020

rump is a joke. Absolute joke.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
105. Ah, so this is why Trump started a war with Iran.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 05:07 PM
Jan 2020

The worse the evidence against him, the worse he behaves. Scary as hell.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
113. there are also the two court cases today
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 06:13 PM
Jan 2020

I think one involving his finances and the other with Don McGahn

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
123. +1, and fucked up even more not explaining why he didn't do some of the basics when it came to
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:38 PM
Jan 2020

... investigating Trump.

Ken Star would've turned every rock and created some to turn

triron

(22,003 posts)
129. yes but I was meaning that in an encompassing sense. Perhaps a lot of it was from being stymied by
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 12:47 AM
Jan 2020

Barr and Whitaker,

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
126. The article described him as a whistle blower.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:57 PM
Jan 2020

If that is literally true, then that means he is in the process or has talked to an inspector general in the federal government. We should be hearing about it soon unless he deems it not urgent. I don't know why he would find that.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
137. Not a whistleblower
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jan 2020

As far as I can tell his father worked for DB and committed suicide


This guy is sketchy at best and is trying to sell his story.

All major outlets seem to be avoiding this guy.
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