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BREAKING: A Deutsche Bank whistleblower has told the FBI that the Russian state-owned bank VTB underwrote Trump's loans:Looks like Lawrence O'Donnell is owed an apology.
Link to tweet
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Link to the article in the tweet since the original link has crashed
https://www.scribd.com/document/441601742/Forensic-News-Article-12-3
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)but, Scott Stedman is a damn good journalist, so I believe him.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)and has broken quite a few stories. Other reporters steal his stuff all the time without attribution.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)One sunny Wednesday in February, a gangly man in a sports jacket and a partly unbuttoned paisley shirt walked into the Los Angeles field office of the F.B.I. At the reception desk, he gave his name Val Broeksmit and began to pace anxiously in the lobby.
Mr. Broeksmit couldnt believe he was voluntarily meeting with the F.B.I. An unemployed rock musician with a history of opioid abuse and credit card theft, not to mention a dalliance with North Korea-linked hackers, he was accustomed to shunning if not fearing law enforcement. But two investigators had flown from the bureaus New York office specifically to speak with him, and Mr. Broeksmit had found their invitation too seductive to resist. Now the agents arrived in the lobby and escorted him upstairs.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/463843-former-deutsche-bank-executives-son-secretly-helped-fbis
The Times reported that Broeksmit told the FBI that the bank has a culture of fraud and dirt" and told investigators his story. Agents told Broeksmit he could have a special advisory title and pledged to keep him updated on the investigation, according to the newspaper. They also reportedly allowed him to let the public know of his status as a witness in the investigation and helped his French girlfriend get a visa.
I am more emotionally invested in this than anyone in the world, Broeksmit told the Times of his work with the FBI. I would love to be their special informer.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) also subpoenaed Broeksmit after trying to persuade him to work with the committee, the Times reported. Broeksmit reportedly asked to be a paid consultant, which the paper described as a non-starter.
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Nobody liked this story the first time around, I guess.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)At the start of his MSNBC show The Last Word on Wednesday, host Lawrence ODonnell apologized for his report that Russian billionaires co-signed Deutsche Bank loans to Donald Trump, hours after one of the presidents lawyers issued a legal threat and demanded a retraction.
ODonnell said that his single-sourced story from Tuesday night wasnt ready for broadcast, and for that, I apologize.
I should not have said it on air or posted it on Twitter.
Tonight we are retracting the story, he told viewers. He said that he does not know if the story is true, but it was not ready for primetime. Saying, if true, was simply not good enough, he said
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)O'Donnell said upfront it was only one source, but one he considered reliable. Trump threw a fit and MSNBC forced O'Donnell to apologize although he did not actually retract his report.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)that it was real. Trying to gauge what a Trumper would say. How could they justify a president having loans with an enemy foreign power? And hiding it!!!
Linda Ed
(493 posts)stopdiggin
(11,308 posts)centering on a VERY shaky witness. (and calling Broeksmit shaky is if anything an understatement)
In this case, I think it would have been prudent to wait for some corroboration and additional sources. Same story, same "source," has been trotted out .. and then walked back .. previously by other news outlets. If there's something new here please highlight it for me.
(The underlying premise of the OP, that Russia underwrote Trump loans, could very well be solid .. but this story doesn't really go any way toward establishing that. Sadly.)
trueblue2007
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malaise
(268,998 posts)Rec
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that has the Forensic News info - VTB is a state owned bank, meaning Putin is the ultimate boss.
malaise
(268,998 posts)Distractions, distractions
Linda Ed
(493 posts)tRump owes almost four billion USA dollars to more than 70 banks, and only the Russian Mafia (via Deutsche Bank) would give tRump more money. Note that 70% of tRump's real estate sales have gone to Russian Mafia members--- we knew this in year 2015.
Explosive report indicates that Donald Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank were backed by Russia
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The site is basically just a couple of people who've been posting "interesting" news for a few months.
But that passes for a credible source for the "Wow I found something on Twitter, so I'll believe" crowd.
malaise
(268,998 posts)interesting
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It's not cynicism.
Explain why I should believe someone I don't know.
Quite often, that question can be resolved by corroboration (and not just other re-tellings of the same report), a track record of some kind, association with an institution which enforces standards, or some other reason to give credence to a stranger.
I doubt that you simply believe things that strangers come up and tell you on the street.
Does that make you a "cynic"?
No, but for some reason, people turn off all common sense when they read something on Twitter that gets posted.
There could be all kinds of reasons to put credence in this person. Just explain what they are.
This is a low-rent hosted website which has existed for a few months. Tell me why I should trust them.
You want to know Stedman's day job?
Social Media Strategist
Company Name Stris & Maher LLP
Dates EmployedApr 2019 Dec 2019
Employment Duration 9 mos
You want to help me out with what a "Social Media Strategist" does?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)You got a problem with that?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Posted on Twitter by a professional "Social Media Strategist" who, until a few days ago, worked for a litigation firm.
Uh-huh, okay.
James48
(4,436 posts)law firm that represented Karen McDougal.
https://strismaher.com/our-firm/who-we-serve/individuals/
Interesting previous employer.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Years ago. It's why Trump doesn't want his tax returns released
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I'm sorry, but I'm not much of a tax person. Could you please connect the dots between what someone's tax returns would show on the one hand, and what the internal financing of the bank in question would be on the other?
Like, I take a deduction on my business taxes for my malpractice insurance, for example. If the mob was underwriting that insurance company, how would that manifest itself on my tax return?
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... enough to show them for deductions so he doesn't have to pay taxes.
Yes, ... hes that stupid and greedy when it comes to money.
He's famine level broke minded when it comes to finances ... always greasy.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I run a business. I file tax returns. I report interest paid on business loans. There is not a single piece of paper that would indicate where my bank got the money it loaned me.
So, again, please tell me what schedule or for what purpose Trumps taxes, or those of his businesses, would show that a loan received from Deutsche Bank was underwritten by Russian mobsters.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... loan underwriting and approval process
triron
(22,003 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)triron
(22,003 posts)kentuck
(111,095 posts)His entire business is dependent on Russia.
True_Blue
(3,063 posts)He'll do exactly what they tell him to do.
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,709 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)stopdiggin
(11,308 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)The cartoonists are gonna have a field day today.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,434 posts)and actually did all the work is alive, and as I understand, cooperating.
KPN
(15,645 posts)but suspicion is normal these days. Wed be nuts not to have suspicions. Just because your paranoid doesnt mean you shouldnt be.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But, of course, it was secret agents who left him hanging....
https://thelocalmalibu.com/former-deutsche-bank-executive-linked-to-trump-loans-commits-suicide-in-malibu/
Bowers who has three children, was widowed in 2017, and reportedly became engaged this summer to a longtime Malibu local he had known since childhood. According to our sources, the two broke up shortly before Bowers committed suicide.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)I'm sightly Aspergic, so sarcasm and rudeness sometimes are tricky for me. I deal with it by trying to avoid ass hats. Not that I think that you are one.
Thanks for the info. Sad.
Epstein hanged himself as well. It's the new rage.
Strange things happen when Barr is around:
https://www.ire.org/resource-center/stories/9504/
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)Too important to let this story get lost in the shuffle.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)was because somebody at the FBI told Trump that this story was dropping - on top of the two big court cases.
Baitball Blogger
(46,709 posts)Oppaloopa
(867 posts)Too damn convenient
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:39 PM - Edit history (1)
Impeachment, federal charges, state charges...bye bye Trump Inc.
Boilerplate caveat...
ScratchCat
(1,990 posts)That this is not "news".
This wasn't simply known, it was known by plenty of people who could have a)proven it and b)prevented Trump from even gaining the GOP nomination, let alone the Presidency. But they didn't..
Anyone with a brain can look at the statements from him and his sons over the years, look at his bankruptcies, look at the South Florida land sale to a Russian billionaire, look at all his actions towards Russia.... and one would conclude, to err on the side of caution, to not let Trump be President. But they didn't...
So far, one person - ONE - has called for him to resign, and that's Anthony Scarramucci. Democrats are becoming complicit in this more and more each day. Impeachment for an actual crime should have begun shortly after Michael Cohen's testimony that Trump is "Individual #1" and that they conspired to pay women for their silence in violation of federal election law.
KPN
(15,645 posts)based on Cohen would have gotten any traction. Nevertheless, tRumps crimes have been conspicuously obvious for sure making this situation all the more frustrating as well as somewhat disenchanting.
Baitball Blogger
(46,709 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)Hell, Don Jr bragged about being propped up with Russian money long before the election.
I haven't changed my sig line since the election.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062878816/dark-towers/
Soon, the bank was manipulating markets, violating international sanctions to aid terrorist regimes, scamming investors, defrauding regulators, and laundering money for Russian oligarchs. Ever desperate for an American foothold, Deutsche also started doing business with a self-promoting real estate magnate nearly every other bank in the world deemed too dangerous to touch: Donald Trump. Over the next twenty years, Deutsche executives loaned billions to Trump, the Kushner family, and an array of scandal-tarred clients, including convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Dark Towers is the never-before-told saga of how Deutsche Bank became the global face of financial recklessness and criminalitythe corporate equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction. It is also the story of a man who was consumed by fear of what hed seen at the bankand his sons obsessive search for the secrets he kept.
Firestorm49
(4,035 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)but, as you know with Barr and Trump, if Trump does it, it's not illegal.
Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)Remember, Cheney was dealing with Iran back in the day.
Money knows no loyalties.
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)lanlady
(7,134 posts)which limits their access to capital markets.
LuckyCharms
(17,426 posts)kentuck
(111,095 posts)A frigging disaster!
dchill
(38,493 posts)...and NOBODY will do anything about it. The kompromat must be incredibly deep and wide.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)They probably have the same financing.
KPN
(15,645 posts)has reached critical mass - but it has been going on and gaining speed for quite some time. Even those who took the high road were and are complicit in my view. Instead of turning off a spigot, we are now faced with stopping a gargantuan waterfall and the fate of our nation and perhaps the globe are in its balance.
Fullduplexxx
(7,863 posts)KewlKat
(5,624 posts)spanone
(135,832 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It was posted by some guy on Twitter who has been running a website for a couple of months now. If that's not reputable, I don't know what is.
Geez, what do you want?
Mersky
(4,981 posts)them with multiple reputable news organizations. Need to get some of these points corroborated and soberly laid out.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Hey, Jeff, could you fill us in on this website, who runs it, and what sort of other stories it has done?
Is this a site you read regularly?
It's been in existence a few months, and has had some "interesting" stories in the past.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)up 23-year-old founder Scott M. Stedman when I ran into this. I have no opinion on it.
Link to tweet
ancianita
(36,055 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,252 posts)investigating. I hope this is true and hearing start very soon.
AZ8theist
(5,464 posts)In other news, water is wet.
Some of us knew this thirty years ago. Too bad we are a nation of fucking idiots.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)problem the dumbing down of Americans, which has been happening for quite a while now.
Pale Blue Dot
(16,831 posts)[link:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/business/val-broeksmit-deutsche-bank-trump-whistle-blower.html|
From the article:
"An endless procession of bank executives and friends of the Broeksmit family have warned me that Mr. Broeksmit is not to be trusted, and, well, they might have a point. His drug use has sent him reeling between manias and stupors. He has a maddening habit of leaping to outrageous conclusions and then bending facts to fit far-fetched theories. He fantasizes about seeing his story told by Hollywood, and I sometimes wonder whether hes manipulating me to achieve that ambition. He can be impatient, erratic and abusive. A few days ago, irate that he was not named in a blurb for my book on Amazon, among other perceived slights, he sent me a string of texts claiming that hed taken out a brokerage account in my name and traded on secret information Id supposedly fed him. (This is not true.) A little later, he left me a voice mail message saying it was all a joke."
The article goes on to back up whatever claims Broeksmit makes that can be corroborated.
It seems likely that Broeksmit was also the single source on O'Donnell's story. While we may all (rightly) believe that Russian is behind these loans, I think we need to view this source with skepticism until there is some corroboration.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)On the investigative side, back at Deutsch big settlement with NY AG, etc., there would seem to be a lot of information uncovered already, and more to come.
jeffreyi
(1,943 posts)But might be another false alarm.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)klook
(12,155 posts)Somehow I missed the details on this when it broke. Broeksmit The Younger is a fucking mess personally, but (even though he was trying to monetize the information) he did a good thing by sharing details from his late fathers Deutsche Bank career.
The February launch of Enrichs book will be interesting. (Love that the authors name is Enrich another case of a person ending up in a career related to their surname.)
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062878816/dark-towers/
Soon, the bank was manipulating markets, violating international sanctions to aid terrorist regimes, scamming investors, defrauding regulators, and laundering money for Russian oligarchs. Ever desperate for an American foothold, Deutsche also started doing business with a self-promoting real estate magnate nearly every other bank in the world deemed too dangerous to touch: Donald Trump. Over the next twenty years, Deutsche executives loaned billions to Trump, the Kushner family, and an array of scandal-tarred clients, including convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Dark Towers is the never-before-told saga of how Deutsche Bank became the global face of financial recklessness and criminalitythe corporate equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction. It is also the story of a man who was consumed by fear of what hed seen at the bankand his sons obsessive search for the secrets he kept.
klook
(12,155 posts)Not sure I really need to own a copy of this book, but the library waiting list (when they get it in) will no doubt be months long. Maybe Costco will have it at a discount. Just in time for Valentines Day! Romantic aint I?
BTW, I appreciate your comments in this thread. Many of us have been on hair-trigger outrage alert constantly for the past 3+ years and can be susceptible to questionable sources if were not careful. Its good to take a breath sometimes and not jump at every revelation of months-old information.
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)With trump, there are very heavy shoes yet to drop.
James48
(4,436 posts)As of 11:30 am, the domain THEFACTMANDATE.COM cannot be reached.
Nor can the WHOIS lookup for the domain name server. It appears BOTH are currently experiencing a coordinated real-time Denial of Service attack.
Now who is capable of doing a real-time dual denial of service attack?
triron
(22,003 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)saying it's a different source. Though you probably already saw that.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)The cover up from several places is as bad as Don the Con.
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)Reichsbank 1945
Glad they've gotten to the bottom of it. Deep throat really gave Woodward and Bernstein solid advice.
keithbvadu2
(36,806 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Stedman says he doesn't even have control of the control panel right now.
Here's an alternate link though
https://www.scribd.com/document/441601742/Forensic-News-Article-12-3
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)The O'Donnell story was about an additional loan co-signed by Russian oligarchs, not prior loans underwritten by a Russian bank.
Stedman also revealed the whistleblower (w/approval of whistleblower); trying to find that again now.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Now I'm wondering what is different about the news Stedman posted versus what he has already revealed publicly.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/business/val-broeksmit-deutsche-bank-trump-whistle-blower.html
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)Means more will expose trump and them conspiring against our country, and it means more GOP will be exposed and voted out of office. Before long GOP members will be begging the Democrats to help them impeach him ASAP, and before Moscow Mitch and many others are connected to Russian funneled money and considered co-conspirators and exposed and charged too. It's coming out almost daily now. Was this behind trump and Putin instigating this Iran crisis and attack. Sure looks like it.
erronis
(15,257 posts)Brilliant, Mr. Putin.
erronis
(15,257 posts)Too many coincidences.
VTB/Putin money buying the supreme court as well as most of the (r)epuglicons in congress.
There is more to the story of Justice Kennedy's resignation, in my opinion.
spanone
(135,832 posts)gab13by13
(21,337 posts)What about the mansion in Florida that Trump bought for 40 million dollars and sold it to a Russian oligarch for 95 million dollars and no one ever moved in to the house? It was later bulldozed over.
What about the Trump tower in Baku, Azerbaijan that never opened for business but laundered money for the Iranian Republican Guard?
I wonder if the sources for those stories are also reputable?
shanti
(21,675 posts)to cover this story up, as many of us expected.
infullview
(981 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)In 2017, Trump had a few missiles launched at an empty airfield in Syria and the media covered it nonstop for days and he had a short-lived bump in the polls because of it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)One sunny Wednesday in February, a gangly man in a sports jacket and a partly unbuttoned paisley shirt walked into the Los Angeles field office of the F.B.I. At the reception desk, he gave his name Val Broeksmit and began to pace anxiously in the lobby.
Mr. Broeksmit couldnt believe he was voluntarily meeting with the F.B.I. An unemployed rock musician with a history of opioid abuse and credit card theft, not to mention a dalliance with North Korea-linked hackers, he was accustomed to shunning if not fearing law enforcement. But two investigators had flown from the bureaus New York office specifically to speak with him, and Mr. Broeksmit had found their invitation too seductive to resist. Now the agents arrived in the lobby and escorted him upstairs.
They wanted to talk about Deutsche Bank one of the worlds largest and most troubled financial institutions, and the bank of choice to the president of the United States. Mr. Broeksmits late father, Bill, had been a senior executive there, and his son possessed a cache of confidential bank documents that provided a tantalizing glimpse of its internal workings. Some of the documents were password-protected, and there was no telling what secrets they held or how explosive they could be.
As did The Hill:
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/463843-former-deutsche-bank-executives-son-secretly-helped-fbis
As did Lawrence O'Donnell, and....
As did DU:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212530426
Just because the story has been repackaged, does not mean it was not reported before.
In fact, you can buy the book, which is on pre-order:
https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062878816/dark-towers/
Soon, the bank was manipulating markets, violating international sanctions to aid terrorist regimes, scamming investors, defrauding regulators, and laundering money for Russian oligarchs. Ever desperate for an American foothold, Deutsche also started doing business with a self-promoting real estate magnate nearly every other bank in the world deemed too dangerous to touch: Donald Trump. Over the next twenty years, Deutsche executives loaned billions to Trump, the Kushner family, and an array of scandal-tarred clients, including convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Dark Towers is the never-before-told saga of how Deutsche Bank became the global face of financial recklessness and criminalitythe corporate equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction. It is also the story of a man who was consumed by fear of what hed seen at the bankand his sons obsessive search for the secrets he kept.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)if I'm not mistaken. I'd check Twitter, but for some reason, my account was suspended.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Do you seriously mean to suggest that you did not read the article which is the subject of your own OP?
Stedman re-posted it to Scribd because of issues with his cheap hosting:
https://www.scribd.com/document/441601742/Forensic-News-Article-12-3
The article is practically entirely about Val Broeksmit, and the information which Broeksmit has been making available for months.
There is utterly no way that one could have read that article and come away with the impression that "his source is different".
It's not seriously possible to have gotten the impression that "his source was different".
infullview
(981 posts)is attempting to prosecute? I saw the Lawrence O'Donnell retraction. It wasn't pretty. Even if this is all true, then because it's single sourced no one will act on it even if absolutely true.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The NYT piece is interesting, and covers some the colorful aspects of the source. Presumably the documents speak for themselves, but it would seem that every other news organization has wanted some additional confirmation.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)Trump was unable to get loans from any US or International banks because he was known to regularly default on them.
Deutsche Bank took him on because they had a guarantee that if he didn't pay, the Russian state bank would.
Hmm...
Sounds like one of the most classic politically compromising, money laundering schemes that anyone could gin up.
The article said they could not confirm the claim but I hope they reveal documented proof soon.
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Now watch the Republicans unanimously protect him.
They have no concern at all about their leader being totally compromised by our adversary.
Nothing matters but keeping power even if it means handing over the leadership of the US over to the Kremlin.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)and not only does he face no real consequences, he gets to start another war.
I really hate this country. I'm so fed up with the corrupt criminals getting away with everything with no real way to stop them.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,425 posts)the White House and they wouldnt care. Too damn many people here at DU dont realize the extent of the level of utter stupidity that exists in our Republic.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)for Trump to take off his shirt and get on a horse. Pass it on.
nature-lover
(1,469 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)They really hate this story.
Linda Ed
(493 posts)Makes me wonder where Justice Kennedy and his son are involved now and if this will come out. Strong possibility that trump is trying to start a War with Iran to distract from Russia backing his Bank Loans.
SWBTATTReg
(22,124 posts)rump is a joke. Absolute joke.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The worse the evidence against him, the worse he behaves. Scary as hell.
triron
(22,003 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I think one involving his finances and the other with Don McGahn
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)elias7
(4,003 posts)per Seth Abramson:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1212923058622803968.html
triron
(22,003 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... investigating Trump.
Ken Star would've turned every rock and created some to turn
triron
(22,003 posts)Barr and Whitaker,
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Not fucking at all.
Quixote1818
(28,936 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Beartracks
(12,814 posts)RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)If that is literally true, then that means he is in the process or has talked to an inspector general in the federal government. We should be hearing about it soon unless he deems it not urgent. I don't know why he would find that.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)As far as I can tell his father worked for DB and committed suicide
This guy is sketchy at best and is trying to sell his story.
All major outlets seem to be avoiding this guy.
mahina
(17,658 posts)Opening story in the news ASAP.