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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 08:06 AM Jan 2020

Iranian hometown response to Soleimani's death

Séamus Malekafzali
@Seamus_Malek
After a small initial gathering early this morning in Kerman, Qassem Soleimani's hometown, there is now a massive funeral crowd lining the streets, all wearing black.


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Iranian hometown response to Soleimani's death (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2020 OP
Wow. Massive. An indication of what's ahead i'm ahead. dem4decades Jan 2020 #1
Am I supposed to feel bad about this? Marengo Jan 2020 #2
I guess how bad a person feels is in direct proportion to whether they believe that Iran can target abqtommy Jan 2020 #3
Not sure if serious Marengo Jan 2020 #10
I am serious and I feel bad... abqtommy Jan 2020 #15
Well, in that case, I feel bad for you. Marengo Jan 2020 #18
I would. LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #4
The Iranian regime is a terrorist organization, Soliemani being a significant actor. His fate is... Marengo Jan 2020 #9
Of course it is. LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #13
Oh, so because other nut jobs might get mad, we're supposed to ignore one of their commanders... Marengo Jan 2020 #14
And you have no knowledge that it won't result in that. LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #19
My experience and education has taught me making such declarations is unwise. Marengo Jan 2020 #22
Did your experience and education teach you LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #29
And now you may cite or link to where I stated on DU that the invasion, occupation, and resulting... Marengo Jan 2020 #31
You seem nice. LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #32
Uh huh, as I thought. Marengo Jan 2020 #34
Good thinking! LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #35
I'm waiting... Marengo Jan 2020 #37
For what? LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #39
Oh please, that's lame...I'm still waiting Marengo Jan 2020 #42
I'm writing a short story about LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #43
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #45
I do, and I don't think it's good to make fun of my LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #47
You had probably never heard of him before today. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #26
The people giddy about his death seem as horrible/blood thristy as they describe him being. tenderfoot Jan 2020 #33
And you assume that why? Marengo Jan 2020 #36
Because your arbitrary justifications for violence show that you're likely just looking for a fight coti Jan 2020 #46
That's the same mindset that got us into the Iraq war. bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #27
Another irrelevancy passes off as profound. Marengo Jan 2020 #40
Exactly. n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #50
With provoking a larger conflict, not his death, being the point anyway coti Jan 2020 #48
Very true. n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #49
The Iranian regime is a direct safeinOhio Jan 2020 #16
If you suggest the regime and its black shirt nut jobs represent freedom in any objective sense, Marengo Jan 2020 #20
Take a trip back to the 1950s safeinOhio Jan 2020 #21
Oh, so Soleimani should have been left alone to kill more US personnel cuz Mohammad Mosaddegh? Marengo Jan 2020 #25
There are plenty of 'leaders' who don't represent freedom in any sense...but we do not have the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #56
Yes! rainy Jan 2020 #53
? Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #52
The argument has been that part of what keeps the ruling class in power in Iran Johonny Jan 2020 #24
Soleimani's martyrdom doesn't change the fundamental nature of the regime. Will Iranians... Marengo Jan 2020 #30
Well, most don't really feel bad for Saddam, either. coti Jan 2020 #44
And soon a group of American tourists or business people or students or military will be on a ... Botany Jan 2020 #5
Or a plane? babylonsister Jan 2020 #6
Blowback and asymmetrical warfare is coming. Botany Jan 2020 #7
He doesn't care. He always can send more people to die trying to end the war he started. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2020 #8
+1,000 n/t MarcA Jan 2020 #41
Right, because such a thing has never happened before, and never would happen if not for Trump Marengo Jan 2020 #11
Thankfully, no one at all (other than yourself) is arguing or implying otherwise. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #17
Agreed. The result of more pseudo tough guy acting MarcA Jan 2020 #38
COMING SOON: Qassem Soleimani Martyrs Brigade, specializing in suicide attacks against Americans dalton99a Jan 2020 #12
All wearing black, and all mad as hell. jeffreyi Jan 2020 #23
Has security been increased for trump? nt frogmarch Jan 2020 #28
I was thinking anything with trump's name on it.... IcyPeas Jan 2020 #55
Trump will likely tweet about this being much smaller than his inauguration! lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #51
#TraitorTrump ordered the assassination of an Iranian govt official who is underthematrix Jan 2020 #54

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
3. I guess how bad a person feels is in direct proportion to whether they believe that Iran can target
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 08:38 AM
Jan 2020

the U.S. with their submarine-launched missiles. Have a happy!

LuckyCharms

(17,435 posts)
4. I would.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 08:40 AM
Jan 2020

Because of the number of new terrorists created with this recent event.

I would feel very bad.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
9. The Iranian regime is a terrorist organization, Soliemani being a significant actor. His fate is...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:00 AM
Jan 2020

Well deserved.

LuckyCharms

(17,435 posts)
13. Of course it is.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:11 AM
Jan 2020

But I prefer to look at the bigger picture.

Spilling his blood may provide some temporary satisfaction, but in the longer term, it will cause a massive amount of deaths to both those who are innocent, and those not so innocent.

Sometimes it is preferable to control a danger, rather than eliminate it.

You and I do not know what the worse solution is...leaving him alive or killing him.

But I think we both know that it had to be explained to Trump who this guy was, and what he represented. And I'm pretty sure that our protection played absolutely no role in Trump's decision...no role at all.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
14. Oh, so because other nut jobs might get mad, we're supposed to ignore one of their commanders...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:29 AM
Jan 2020

Who’s actively engaged in the killing of US personnel and planning to kill more. Soleimani was behaving in the manner of an enemy combatant, and you have absolutely no knowledge his justified neutralization will result in “.massive amounts of deaths” to the innocent. As for “not so innocent”, not sure I see a problem with that.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
31. And now you may cite or link to where I stated on DU that the invasion, occupation, and resulting...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:17 PM
Jan 2020

Destabilization of Iraq would NOT result in considerable civilian casualties. As a bonus, you can also cite or link to where I stated I SUPPORTED the invasion of Iraq to begin with. I’ll be waiting, in the interim may I offer a rag for wiping the saliva from your foot. Providing you have the integrity to remove it.

LuckyCharms

(17,435 posts)
43. I'm writing a short story about
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jan 2020

this one time I shit my pants in my pickup while driving home a freshly cut Christmas Tree.

Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #43)

tenderfoot

(8,434 posts)
33. The people giddy about his death seem as horrible/blood thristy as they describe him being.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:20 PM
Jan 2020

Like when some lunatic commits a heinous crime and some respond with "hang him" "kill him" "DEATH PENALTY!!!" "castrate him" "hang, draw and quarter" "break out the guillotine!"

coti

(4,612 posts)
46. Because your arbitrary justifications for violence show that you're likely just looking for a fight
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:40 PM
Jan 2020

anyway.

Not to mention your aggressive, ill-considered approach to posting on DU.

coti

(4,612 posts)
48. With provoking a larger conflict, not his death, being the point anyway
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:45 PM
Jan 2020

Hell, in the unlikely event Iran resists the urge to retaliate against this, Trump will just find another way to provoke them.

safeinOhio

(32,682 posts)
16. The Iranian regime is a direct
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jan 2020

result of regime change and the taking of Iran's oil, along with installing the Shah.
One countries terrorist organization is anothers freedom fighters.

History is worth study.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
20. If you suggest the regime and its black shirt nut jobs represent freedom in any objective sense,
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jan 2020

our world views are entirely incompatible. Oh, and anyone who tries to pass off pseudo intellectual cliches as profound probably shouldn’t suggest others don’t have an adequate understanding of history.

safeinOhio

(32,682 posts)
21. Take a trip back to the 1950s
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jan 2020

and study what the US and England did. Iran had a very popular elected President that was overthrown by us and a brutal dictator was installed. They don’t hate us for our freedom. They hate us for taking theirs along with the oil.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
25. Oh, so Soleimani should have been left alone to kill more US personnel cuz Mohammad Mosaddegh?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:51 PM
Jan 2020

Don’t assume I don’t know anything about that period of Iranian history.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
56. There are plenty of 'leaders' who don't represent freedom in any sense...but we do not have the
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:50 PM
Jan 2020

right to go to a sovereign country and kill them. Trump should be up on murder charges.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
24. The argument has been that part of what keeps the ruling class in power in Iran
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:32 PM
Jan 2020

is not their popularity, but the west's ability to spark nationalism within Iran. The president just made a general that was not well beloved by his own people, a martyr. It's the classic mistake the west has made for years...

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
30. Soleimani's martyrdom doesn't change the fundamental nature of the regime. Will Iranians...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:09 PM
Jan 2020

Who oppose the regime suddenly embrace it because someone not well beloved by the population (although to be fair I have head the opposite is the case) and a central actor carrying out the agenda of said regime is delivered to his just reward? I don’t know, I’m not in any position to offer a definitive answer, but I must wonder.

coti

(4,612 posts)
44. Well, most don't really feel bad for Saddam, either.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:34 PM
Jan 2020

On the other hand, the hundreds of thousands of dead, innocent Iraqis, the thousands of dead American soldiers, the trillions of dollars wasted, the needless distraction and stress, and our soiled good name...I feel a little bad about those. Still.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
5. And soon a group of American tourists or business people or students or military will be on a ...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 09:00 AM
Jan 2020

... bus, or on a train, or aboard a cruise ship, or @ a restaurant, or someplace else and be attacked because Trump
started this crap after talking to Putin.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
7. Blowback and asymmetrical warfare is coming.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 09:14 AM
Jan 2020

BTW the French warned us of the blowback before bush and Cheney started their
Iraqi war so Dick Cheney could make a shitload of money. And so ISIS was born.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
11. Right, because such a thing has never happened before, and never would happen if not for Trump
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jan 2020
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. Thankfully, no one at all (other than yourself) is arguing or implying otherwise.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:33 AM
Jan 2020

Bit of a mote in your eye, eh?

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
38. Agreed. The result of more pseudo tough guy acting
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:27 PM
Jan 2020

and much of the MSM and populace will give him and his ilk a pass, if not
outright praise.

dalton99a

(81,488 posts)
12. COMING SOON: Qassem Soleimani Martyrs Brigade, specializing in suicide attacks against Americans
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:05 AM
Jan 2020

And videotaped executions of captured/kidnapped Americans

IcyPeas

(21,871 posts)
55. I was thinking anything with trump's name on it....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:28 PM
Jan 2020

is a target and there are quite a few of them around the globe

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
54. #TraitorTrump ordered the assassination of an Iranian govt official who is
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jan 2020

revered in the MIDDLE EAST. He was head of an organization similar to our C.I.A. This means American govt officials are at risk.

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