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Gen McCaffrey: High intensity combat w/ Iran or surrogates probable in the coming 30 days. (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 OP
The question is whether it is worth it. Renew Deal Jan 2020 #1
RickWilson predicts that Trump made a deal with Bolton. Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #4
the embassy kurfluffle was his gulf of tomkin..... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #5
No, it's not Retrograde Jan 2020 #8
Expect Chinese and Russian troops in Iran soon. roamer65 Jan 2020 #2
No, they won't be troops. Xolodno Jan 2020 #7
Good chance of cyber warfare, too, judging by a number of tweets I've seen. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #3
tweets from who? Renew Deal Jan 2020 #6

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
1. The question is whether it is worth it.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:14 AM
Jan 2020

I get knocking off Bin Laden. He did things that no American will ever forget. But these guys were two nobodies to most Americans. The embassy incident was forgettable by most people. Trump could have done nothing and nobody would have noticed. It just doesn't make sense. But he was looking for any reason to have a giant war with Iran and he got it.

Grasswire2

(13,570 posts)
4. RickWilson predicts that Trump made a deal with Bolton.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:21 AM
Jan 2020

Be quiet about me, and I will give you your war with Iran.

getagrip_already

(14,750 posts)
5. the embassy kurfluffle was his gulf of tomkin.....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:26 AM
Jan 2020

Look, the us embassy in Baghdad is the MOST secure embassy in the world. It is safely housed in the Green Zone - a HEAVILY fortified and patrolled section of the city. Nobode enters without being screened, authorized, and searched. You can't get within a mile of the embassy without being under sniper and gun positions.

So how did hundreds of protestors, with iranian flags suddenly scale the gates and enter the embbassy?

They were let in. It was a planned charade. Orchestrated and escorted.

It's the only answer. This has cia/blackwater written all over it.

And now, we have a war. How odd. Who could have guessed. Trump is an idiot. This wasn't his plan. Someone's putin him up to it.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
2. Expect Chinese and Russian troops in Iran soon.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:17 AM
Jan 2020

China and Russia will admit Iran into SCO and reinforce Iran.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
6. tweets from who?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:31 AM
Jan 2020

Iran has a significant cyberwar capability.

Iran and Cyber Power
June 25, 2019
Iran has rapidly improved its cyber capabilities. It is still not in the top rank of cyber powers, but it is ahead of most nations in strategy and organization for cyber warfare. Iran has a good appreciation for the utility of cyber as an instrument of national power. Its extensive experience in covert activities help guide its strategy and operations using cyber as a tool for coercion and force, and it has created a sophisticated organizational structure to manage cyber conflict. This means any attack on the United States will not be accidental but part of a larger strategy of confrontation.

Iran sees cyberattacks as part of the asymmetric military capabilities it needs to confront the United States. Iran’s development of cyber power is a reaction to its vulnerabilities. Iran is the regular target of foreign cyber espionage. Iran and Israel are engaged in a not-always covert cyber conflict. Stuxnet, a cyberattack on Iranian nuclear weapons facilities, accelerated Iran's own cyber efforts. What Iran’s leaders fear most, however, is their own population and the risk that the internet will unleash something like the Arab Spring. Iranian security forces began to develop their hacking abilities during the 2009 “Green Revolution” to extend domestic surveillance and control. These domestic efforts are the roots of Iran's cyber capabilities.

Iran’s trajectory shows how a medium-sized opponent willing to allocate resources can build cyber power. Three military organizations play leading roles in cyber operations: the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), the Basij, and Iran’s “Passive Defense Organization (NPDO).” The IRGC is the perpetrator behind a series of incidents aimed at American targets, Israeli critical infrastructure, Saudi Arabia, and other Gulf States. The Basij, a civilian paramilitary organization controlled by the IGRC, manages what Basij leaders say are 120,000 cyberwar volunteers. The number is probably exaggerated, but the Basij uses its connections with universities and religious schools to recruit a proxy hacker force. The NPDO is responsible for infrastructure protection. To ensure coordination between cyber offense and defense, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei created a “Supreme Council of Cyberspace” composed of senior military and intelligence officials.

Years of constant engagement with Israeli and Saudi Arabia have improved Iran's cyber capabilities, and experience with covert action gives Iran the ability to conceptualize how cyberattacks fit into the larger military picture. The tools used by Iran are usually modified malware from the criminal market that do not have the destructive effect of more advanced cyber "weapons." As an Israeli general put it in 2017, “They are not the state of the art, they are not the strongest superpower in the cyber dimension, but they are getting better and better.”

Iran sees cyberattacks as part of a continuum of conflict. Earlier this year, IRGC Deputy Commander Hossein Salami said, "we are in an atmosphere of a full-blown intelligence war with the US and the front of enemies of the Revolution and the Islamic system . . . This atmosphere is a combination of psychological warfare and cyber operation, military provocations, public diplomacy, and intimidation tactics."

Iran has probed U.S. critical infrastructure for targeting purposes. How successful an attack would be is another matter. The kind of massive denial of service attacks Iran used against major banks in 2011-2013 would be less effective today given improved defenses. The most sophisticated kinds of cyberattack (such as Stuxnet or the Russian actions in the Ukraine) are still beyond Iranian capabilities, but poorly defended targets in the United States (of which there are many) are vulnerable—smaller banks or local power companies, for example, or poorly secured pipeline control systems. What stops Iranian action is not a shortage of targets but rather questions about the utility of such attacks.

How likely is an attack against the United States? A decision for a cyberattack on the United States will depend on Iranian calculations of the risk of a damaging U.S. response. While the Iranians may appear hotheaded, they are shrewd and calculating in covert action and will consider how to punish the United States without triggering a violent response. If we look at Iranian cyber actions against U.S. targets—the actions against major banks or the more damaging attack on the Sands Casino—Iranian attacks are likely to be retaliatory, intending to make the point that the United States is not invulnerable but without going too far. Attacking major targets in the American homeland would be escalatory, something Iran wishes to avoid. It wants to push back on U.S. presence in the region and demonstrate, to both its own citizens and its Gulf neighbors, that the United States can be challenged. If Iran does act in the United States, crippling a casino makes a point. Blacking out the power grid or destroying a pipeline risks crossing the line.
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https://www.csis.org/analysis/iran-and-cyber-power

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