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CousinIT

(9,267 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:29 PM Jan 2020

We're asking the wrong question. It's not "can the Dem nominee beat Trump?"

It's: "Can WE beat Trump?"

This is about US, not the Dem nominee, whoever that is.

It's about US -- THE VOTERS.

Can WE beat Trump?


WE CAN if we get registered, get everyone else registered, check our registrations regularly and VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE across the board. E V E R Y O N E.

This is about US. Not whoever the Dem nominee is.

NOBODY has more power to defeat Trump than WE do -- if we use it.

It's about US.

Forget who the Dem nominee is. Question is, will EVERY Democrat and progressive get their butts out and vote for whoever that is?

THAT is the only way Trump will be defeated.

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We're asking the wrong question. It's not "can the Dem nominee beat Trump?" (Original Post) CousinIT Jan 2020 OP
All of this. mahina Jan 2020 #1
Can we stop infighting long enough to accomplish one necessary thing? Arthur_Frain Jan 2020 #2
Yes, because if we exhaust ourselves by infighting, we'll be right back to the vote numbers of 2016 ancianita Jan 2020 #14
I'm pessimistic, but this is true Bradical79 Jan 2020 #3
Another thing, Biden is nationally known and in peoples homes for 8 years. People are comfortable Lexee Jan 2020 #4
The candidate 'most likely to beat Trump' is the one we all vote for... CousinIT Jan 2020 #5
Yes. I am totally on board with what you are saying. I am done with supporters telling me Lexee Jan 2020 #6
When Trump shoots himself in the foot, what happens? CousinIT Jan 2020 #7
I would prefer to have the opportunity in primary to elect a person that does not consistently shoot Lexee Jan 2020 #10
I've noticed something odd in the political coverage by the major media gratuitous Jan 2020 #8
Many will sit this one out if there's a Russiapublican on the Democratic ticket. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #9
Again, Biden diplomatically fielded a baited question. maxsolomon Jan 2020 #11
Here is a question that has bothered me since the Ukraine "do me a favor" issue made national news. usaf-vet Jan 2020 #12
Thank you for the RESET! BadGimp Jan 2020 #13
VOTE DEMOCRAT ACROSS THE BOARD--NOT JUST POTUS blakstoneranger Jan 2020 #15
HELL yes. Some states don't allow 'straight ticket' voting. CousinIT Jan 2020 #20
+ 80 million. Hortensis Jan 2020 #16
Maybe if we stay the fuck off of Facebook BlueIdaho Jan 2020 #17
That's some smart messaging! "Can WE beat trump?" calimary Jan 2020 #18
That's what I'm talkin about. CousinIT Jan 2020 #19

Arthur_Frain

(1,866 posts)
2. Can we stop infighting long enough to accomplish one necessary thing?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jan 2020

A question I wrestle with in my low moments.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
3. I'm pessimistic, but this is true
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:31 PM
Jan 2020

A whole lot of problems can be solved/mitigated in this country if just a small additional percentage of people would do the absolute bare minimum. Because some couldn't be bothered last election, it will be more difficult in the future, but it is still well within reach to have enough votes to overcome GOP efforts to rig things in their favor. We saw that in 2018.

 

Lexee

(377 posts)
4. Another thing, Biden is nationally known and in peoples homes for 8 years. People are comfortable
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:33 PM
Jan 2020

with him. Other candidates like Warren, Buttigeig and Klobuchar will have 6 months for the nation to compare them up against Trump. Their numbers will only go up during the GE campaign as people get engaged. These are not sit in stone numbers and it cannot be a reason to put someone in the Presidency.

My fear is with Biden self inflicted, who knows what will happen in a GE that wouldn't be the case with another of our candidates.

I think it is a horrible idea for a campaign to run off of "most likely to beat Trump".

CousinIT

(9,267 posts)
5. The candidate 'most likely to beat Trump' is the one we all vote for...
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:50 PM
Jan 2020

...no matter how the TrumPutin Cult and the mainstream media try to spin them as unacceptable.

My mind keeps going back to the "Dean Scream" - we ALLOWED the media to ruin him in our minds.

We can't allow that anymore. Would Republicans allow that kind of thing to turn them against their candidate? Look at Trump. NOTHING turns them against him. Democratic voters need to learn to be as undeterred, un-moved, and stubborn.

 

Lexee

(377 posts)
6. Yes. I am totally on board with what you are saying. I am done with supporters telling me
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:53 PM
Jan 2020

I need to back one because today his numbers look best against Trump. Who knows what tomorrow will bring with those numbers especially with a candidate that tends to shoot himself in the foot.

CousinIT

(9,267 posts)
7. When Trump shoots himself in the foot, what happens?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:05 PM
Jan 2020

His base still supports him and will still vote for him.

Democrats MUST learn to do that. Or they will lose.

 

Lexee

(377 posts)
10. I would prefer to have the opportunity in primary to elect a person that does not consistently shoot
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:22 PM
Jan 2020

themselves in the foot and not have a President for four years that I have to back because he shot himself in the foot, again. Aren't we tired of that? Obama didn't. HRC didn't. Any of our primary candidate. I think we can do both. Hire a candidate that is smart, savvy, progressive, effective, electable and doesn't shoot themselves in the foot, repeatedly.

If it come to supporting the person that does that consistently, then yes, I will stand behind him, or at least be quiet when he does it. I am not much into being an hypocrite, but I can stay quiet, if he is ours. It is not going to ever be about integrity with Biden, and that works for me.

Trump is vile, vulgar, criminal. That is a whole different can of worms and is disgusting continuing to support that or even staying quiet.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. I've noticed something odd in the political coverage by the major media
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jan 2020

Keep in mind that Clinton polled 2.8 million more votes than Trump. I'll elide over any rumors of polling jiggery-pokery that may have occurred in Pennsylvania, Michigan or Wisconsin, because the media certainly aren't concerned with any of that, and like it or not they set the narrative.

But here's my point: We are inundated with endless stories about Trump voters who are getting shafted by the administration but they remain loyal to Trump. Every now and again an aside may creep into a media report of this one voter here or there who won't vote for Trump again like they did in 2016. Those stories are subsumed in the larger narrative of Trump voter loyalty. But what about people who didn't vote in 2016, or who didn't vote for Trump? We hear basically nothing about those citizens. What has Trump done to win over more voters? Can Trump pull off the same three-rail blindfolded billiards shot to draw to a runner-runner inside straight from three-quarters court that installed him in the White House in 2016? I'm not really seeing it.

As far as I can tell, Trump hasn't attracted any additional support since 2016, and has alienated any number of folks who voted for him or figured they'd give him a chance.

Yeah, we need to work really hard to get that fucker out of the White House 10 months from now. But let's go about it with an optimistic heart, ready for good news in November.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. Many will sit this one out if there's a Russiapublican on the Democratic ticket.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:15 PM
Jan 2020

I am astounded that any candidate would even hint at such an insane idea.

maxsolomon

(33,432 posts)
11. Again, Biden diplomatically fielded a baited question.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jan 2020

He said he can't think of a Repuke that he'd consider. And he won't. He's old, but he's not senile.

"Many" don't need to take this bait, but they are.

usaf-vet

(6,221 posts)
12. Here is a question that has bothered me since the Ukraine "do me a favor" issue made national news.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:47 PM
Jan 2020

It seems obvious to me the Trump feels Biden is the one he is going to face in 2020. It also appears that he wants and needs dirt to repel Biden's challenge. Am I missing something?

Does he have the necessary dirt to repel other challengers? Or he so convinced that Biden could actually be the one the will crush his a$$ that he really needs dirt to stand a chance against Biden? He needs it so bad that he is willing to manufacture the dirt. He wants a birther equivalent for Biden to attack Biden day after day.

It's leading me to think I need to keep a close eye on Biden.

CousinIT

(9,267 posts)
20. HELL yes. Some states don't allow 'straight ticket' voting.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:55 PM
Jan 2020

Do it anyway. Go down the ballot manually.

F*ck the GOP.

VOTE OUT EVERY TrumPublican possible.

We HAVE the power.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
17. Maybe if we stay the fuck off of Facebook
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:29 PM
Jan 2020

And Twitter we can concentrate on beating Fatso. Zuckerberg and Dorsey are all in for the GOP. We are better off without the daily dose of Russian propaganda they provide.

calimary

(81,536 posts)
18. That's some smart messaging! "Can WE beat trump?"
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:27 PM
Jan 2020

It IS on us. Smart pronoun usage lends an air of inclusivity. And it IS on us. We are it. WE are “the deciders.” ALL of us, whose votes can have the last word.

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