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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor every "good guy with a gun" story, there are ten times more like this.
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A woman in Ohio was killed early Wednesday after she was struck by a round from her boyfriends celebratory gunfire, police say.
At 12:15 a.m. on New Years Day, Cleveland police responded to a call about a shooting, WKYC reported. They arrived to find a 31-year-old woman with a bullet wound, police say.
She was taken to a local hospital where she died, WKYC reported. Her name has not been released.
Investigators discovered that the woman and her live-in boyfriend, 38, were hosting a party to ring in 2020 when he began popping off celebratory gunshots, according to Cleveland.com. At some point, the woman was hit by a bullet, police say.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/national/article238888653.html#storylink=cpy
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,895 posts)But of course, guns are more important than human lives.
Huin
(92 posts)Our gun craze can be checked, but there needs to be a will to do so. And it takes time and thought. The problem with the Second Amendment is that too much is made of it. It is my belief that the Supreme Court has done the country a great wrong by interpreting the wording of the Second Amendment as a right applying to individuals. There would not have been this Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights, had it not for the wording of the fourth and third last paragraphs in Article I, Section 8 of our Constitution. In the original draft of the Constitution the subject of gun rights was not addressed at all. The Constitution gave Congress the following power:
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming [emphasis supplied] and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."
Not having studied this in detail, it stands to reason each separate State may have had a Militia at that time. Section 8 simply gave Congress the power to make appropriate laws to call the Militia of the several states into service in time of need. If I had been a Governor of any of the States at the time when the original draft of the Constitution was presented to me to recommend to my state government its acceptance, I might have balked at the wording of that power. It might have been interpreted by the U.S. government that my State Militia should be trained with sticks and would be armed only when called into federal service. As governor I would like to have had the Second Amendment clarify that to allow my State Militia to be armed while training or being called into duty locally.
This, however, would not prohibit my State Assembly, or state legislative body, to make laws to prohibit carrying weapons in organized communities controlled by a sheriff or local police organization. The U.S. Supreme Court and the NRA in my opinion are wrong in thinking different. I believe our Constitution would have been silent on the subject of private gun ownership, had it not for the above mentioned paragraphs in the original draft of the Constitution.
If we really want to lessen unnecessary killings and the general gun craze, local legislation and subsequent support from the public with litigation and powerful arguments to the Supreme Court might do the trick. It takes time and the general willingness to do so.
Or else we can continue to live in our frontier lifestyle.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Each state did have a Militia. Note there is no definition of what a "Militia" is in the Constitution. These entities were well defined and well understood already, and armed/trained State Militias had been previously codified as mandatory in the Articles Of Confederation.
The role the State Militias were to play cannot be underestimated - just about every goal listed in the Pre-amble, and the guarantees made in the body of the Constitution, were dependent on the Militias, i.e We, the People - securing their own freedoms, especially when called forth in federal service. Also note their difference from (federal) "troops", "army" and "Navy". So also do not underestimate the fear of large standing armies, and the fear of any power the new govt might have or was given, that could be mis-used to DIS-arm the People/Militias. The 2nd amendment ensured the State Militias would exist, and would be capable.
The Militias HAD to be efficient - they had to be uniformly armed and trained ("well-regulated" ) - as soon was codified in the Militia Acts.
And they served both federal and State roles as THE 1st line of defense - any attempt by govt at either level to weaken them c/would not be tolerated.
RussBLib
(9,035 posts)idiots with guns
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Straw Man
(6,625 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:31 AM - Edit history (1)
I ask because accidental gun deaths number in the hundreds per year, whereas defensive gun uses number in the tens of thousands to the millions per year, depending on whose estimates you believe.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Straw Man
(6,625 posts)And it isn't necessary to fire a shot in order to successfully defend oneself with a gun.
The lower estimates of defensive gun use put it at around 100,000 per year. This compares with approximately 500 accidental gun deaths.*
The OP claims ten times more accidental deaths than defensive gun uses. Correction: There are at least 200 times more defensive gun uses than accidental gun deaths per year in the United States.
*At the linked page, select Unintentional and Firearm, then click Submit Request.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 4, 2020, 02:48 AM - Edit history (1)
In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens.
Which is an irrelevant numerical correspondence that says nothing about the veracity of the claim. But you knew that.
Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)Straw Man
(6,625 posts)It doesn't appear that you do.