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malaise

(269,004 posts)
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:22 PM Dec 2019

Oh My - Breaking - Judge Dismisses lawsuit from Bolton Aid who refused

to Testify at Impeachment hearing

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/30/kupperman-ukraine-lawsuit-dismiss-091407
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A federal judge on Monday scrapped an effort by a former top aide to John Bolton to determine whether he could be required to testify before House impeachment investigators, declaring the matter moot and outside the court’s power to resolve.

Charles Kupperman, who was Bolton’s deputy when Bolton was national security adviser, filed suit in October after he was subpoenaed by the House Intelligence Committee but ordered to ignore the subpoena by President Donald Trump. In his suit, Kupperman asked for a judge’s help to resolve the conflicting demands.

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Oh My - Breaking - Judge Dismisses lawsuit from Bolton Aid who refused (Original Post) malaise Dec 2019 OP
Just saw that on MSNBC. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #1
Me too malaise Dec 2019 #4
Me, three. TruckFump Dec 2019 #17
What fun? It was dismissed as moot jberryhill Dec 2019 #5
Yeah, I just now heard that, too. And here's the opinion: The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #9
This is actually disconcerting angrychair Dec 2019 #14
Or, alternatively, is the legislative branch ceding power and authority to the judicial branch? slumcamper Dec 2019 #23
It seems the 2naSalit Dec 2019 #6
DoJ and House both asked for it to be dismissed. Thomas Hurt Dec 2019 #2
Correct, the House withdrew the subpoena jberryhill Dec 2019 #7
Thanks. IMPORTANT elleng Dec 2019 #10
I do like this quote, though, on page 10: The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #13
Bad writing al bupp Dec 2019 #15
Of course that's what it meant, but it's funnier the other way. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #16
Agreed, however, a naked assurance could be just as bad, though al bupp Dec 2019 #18
I, myself, never take assurances from naked lawyers. :) Sloumeau Dec 2019 #21
Interesting. bdamomma Dec 2019 #3
Very interesting... 2naSalit Dec 2019 #8
Not so interesting, as it turns out. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #11
Indeed. 2naSalit Dec 2019 #12
Does this mean that if they had subpoenaed Bolton, they could have got a ruling this quick? spanone Dec 2019 #19
Ha malaise Dec 2019 #20
I suspect the quickness of the ruling is related to the mootness of the case. :) Sloumeau Dec 2019 #22
It also wasn't so quick FBaggins Dec 2019 #24
Way to get right on that Judge progressoid Dec 2019 #25
Did you read the opinion? onenote Dec 2019 #28
Naked Lawyers Involved in Cover-ups MasonDreams Dec 2019 #26
Cover-ups Nakedly Involved Lawyers Cartaphelius Dec 2019 #27

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
14. This is actually disconcerting
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:54 PM
Dec 2019

Do we know why they withdrew the subpoena?

Is the legislative branch giving up and allowing the executive branch to defy Congress?

Asking as I have no context for why Congress would withdraw the subpoena and not continue to hold these people accountable for not complying with a lawful subpoena from Congress.

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
23. Or, alternatively, is the legislative branch ceding power and authority to the judicial branch?
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:03 PM
Dec 2019

Equally disconcerting.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
13. I do like this quote, though, on page 10:
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:34 PM
Dec 2019

"[T]here is no case that supports the proposition that naked lawyers' assurances are themselves sufficient." I don't know if I'd trust the assurances of naked lawyers, either.

al bupp

(2,179 posts)
15. Bad writing
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:58 PM
Dec 2019

I assume that the judge meant the "naked" to modify the assurances, not the lawyers themselves, e.g.: lawyers' naked assurances instead of naked lawyers' assurances, though the latter is decidedly more amusing.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
16. Of course that's what it meant, but it's funnier the other way.
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:59 PM
Dec 2019

Some lawyers shouldn't be naked (Rudy Giuliani and Bill Barr, I'm talking to you).

al bupp

(2,179 posts)
18. Agreed, however, a naked assurance could be just as bad, though
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 08:14 PM
Dec 2019

Imagine a one w/ a dangling participle, for instance.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
11. Not so interesting, as it turns out.
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:29 PM
Dec 2019

It won't mean much because the case was dismissed for mootness because the subpoena was withdrawn.

2naSalit

(86,633 posts)
12. Indeed.
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:33 PM
Dec 2019

But what will be the *reason* offered for defying the subpoena then? That's what I want to see. They come up with some real crazy stuff. Surely there will be more stonewalling.

Granted the case being dropped by the House should have settled it but I think they needed to hear it from the judge. So it's back to them against the House again, the Constitution stands, for now.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
28. Did you read the opinion?
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:10 AM
Dec 2019

If you did, I guess you missed the part where the judge discusses the motions to dismiss, the briefing on that motion and the oral argument on the motions.

 

Cartaphelius

(868 posts)
27. Cover-ups Nakedly Involved Lawyers
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:02 PM
Dec 2019

Cover-Ups, absent the Naked Involvement Of Lawyers, Are
Criminal.

But As Long As They Remain Secretly Involved no crime is
committed?

Something really stinks as it remains a verifiable number
of Lawyers, who then become judges or Supreme Court
Judges, do so as criminals that haven't been caught, yet.

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