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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo if he enters Congress for the SOU and attacks the Speaker of the House
should Speaker Pelosi turn off his mike?
Zoonart
(11,872 posts)She is a stickler for decorum in the House, so I would not expect her to gavel him out, or to lead a walk out from the well. The Dem caucus, however... should walk out. It WILL be a shit show.
I think he will not show. He is too much of a coward to face his accusers. He will give some address from the White House.
Just MHO.
malaise
(269,087 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Goose, meet gander.
But we will be all nicey-nice, contributing to the (richly deserved) impression that dems have no spine.
Nancy should cancel the SOU. the turd is illegitimate, an actual treasonous traitor to this country, therefore undeserving of giving a SOU, and will turn it into a maggot rally.
Nancy should NOT countenance a shit-show.
BUT, give him a microphone and there is a chance he will just confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt to his koolaide drinking cultists what most of us already believe.
OK, I change my mind, give him the mic, Nancy, and THEN make him eat every word he utters.
KentuckyWoman
(6,688 posts)Good comment.
Drifter
(4,751 posts)disgusted by such an act should get up and walk out.
Cheers
Drifter
lark
(23,123 posts)traitor and criminal and PUtin's bitch. I really want to hear PUtin's bitch yelled out on camera. Yeah, they probably won't, but it is totally deserved and if he lies about them and Ukraine, Dems should ratchet it way up!
tblue37
(65,442 posts)respect for solemn tradition. They won't shout insults at POTUS during a formal address to Congress.
2naSalit
(86,664 posts)Speaker Pelosi will not allow disrespect in her House. She holds the power of the occasion. Knowing she could shut him down and having seen that every time he tries to push it with her she wins bigly, he'll probably wimp out and do it from the WH if at all. From the WH he's free to spew all kinds of crap so if he does deliver, that's more likely the way it will happen.
On the other hand, if he tries to spew his bile from the House, that will be interesting to say the least and could be done with the intent of dealing a deadly blow to Congress. Since it's likely to take place during a trial in the Senate, or still be waiting, he's going to be fighting for is life and that means he's going to fight dirty, it's all he knows. And we know how he rolls so we can guess what he'll do regardless of any advice that might be offered beforehand.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Like this example:
Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)Publicly name the whistleblower on live tv and bring that madman Seal he just forgave for his crimes.
KentuckyWoman
(6,688 posts)Let him lay in the floor and have his slap out fit.
Speaker Pelosi should just sit back, smile, and enjoy the entertainment.
The Democratic party members in attendance should laugh at him like it's a Comedy Central special.
My bet is he's pretty close to losing it. One good nudge would get him frothing on international TV.
Pelosi and Democrats should be maddeningly cool and composed, not imitate rude and uncouth republicans.
In the aftermath, Democrats should "pile on" about disrespecting "the people's house" and how shameful his performance is/was. AND...express shame on how he embarrassed every citizen of this country in the eyes of the world.
PatSeg
(47,520 posts)We need to respond as Democrats, not an imitation of republicans. Mimicking republicans' behavior only validates it and gives them an excuse to come back even more outrageous the next time. Of course, they will also have the audacity to criticize Democrats for being crude and vulgar. They have a seriously underdeveloped sense of irony.
I really hate when I hear Democrats yell "Lock him up", even though it is well deserved. We believe in the rule of law, not mob justice.
catrose
(5,068 posts)Funny, it always stopped as soon as there was no audience.
I guess that wouldn't work here, though.
PatSeg
(47,520 posts)Not your two-year-old of course!
malaise
(269,087 posts)Networks and cable
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,364 posts)tblue37
(65,442 posts)when that was supposedly not the purpose of his visit (it was supposed to be about the Flint water crisis):
KentuckyWoman
(6,688 posts)Pure class.
tblue37
(65,442 posts)not a socially strong person, but a coward. That's why he fires by tweet instead of facing someone. He can't handle direct disapproval from others, nor can he handle confrontation. He can date at some submissive underlings but unless he has all the power, and his interlocutor is already cowed, he is easy to force into a conciliatory posture.
SWBTATTReg
(22,144 posts)and Senate representatives need? Moscow Mitch and others around him have their own agenda, and that is to stifle any democratically sponsored bills and retain the budget busting, failed tax cut bill of 2017 so their billionaire and millionaire buddies will get richer and contribute more to the republicans' PACs for upcoming elections. In addition, Moscow Mitch has stifled any efforts (and continues to do so) to enact effective measures against meddling in our elections. What's his true purpose here? It seriously makes you wonder what in the hell is his rationale?
More dark money coming into our elections is making our elections outrageously expensive, and distorting
and stifling our individual freedom of speech, that is, those that have the money, get to speak out more than all of us combined. What if some of us are unable to actively participate in our elections in this manner (donating funds)? If they can't, then in effect, their rights have been totally suppressed, by money, in effect.
Of course the more wealthier companies and individuals are able to garner more resources, gather more funds, and thus, speak out far more than each individual.
Citizens United opened the doors wide open to massive amounts of money (foreign or national) coming into our elections with little oversight. This massive amount of money has seriously infringed on the freedom of speech enjoyed formerly by individuals and has allowed freedom of speech enjoyed by corporations to overwhelm all others.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)The sisters will show you what to do.
tblue37
(65,442 posts)catrose
(5,068 posts)malaise
(269,087 posts)after she told him he wasn't invited for a political speech
tblue37
(65,442 posts)same old greatest hits rant, even when delivering a prepared speech.
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,435 posts)..later at some interview or in some tweet he insulted the minister. [I'll search for comment and add]
dalton99a
(81,534 posts)Don't sit there in silence and accept his insults.
And Democrats should be ready to strike back with a Democratic response specifically drafted for this eventuality.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)If the Democrats walk out as soon as the SOTU begins, it would look juvenile and premeditated.
A more effective strategy would be to plan the walk out for when Trump begins his attacks on the House for impeaching him.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)a campaign commercial and the rest to rant about how unfairly he's been treated. It will be a colossally long rant. Perhaps people will be sufficiently disgusted.
2naSalit
(86,664 posts)to having him give the Address. All it would take is for a large group to laugh at him once and he would go of like a barrel of gasoline which would bring everyone to the conclusion that he needs to go. If everyone sat there and stoically watched the meltdown, all the better. It will be a tough night for the nation but we will not survive without wounds, but we must prevail.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)to 'respond'.
2naSalit
(86,664 posts)killed the shut down. It will be another roller-coaster ride this year.
It's going to be tense. I live in a reddish state and a friend, who is Asian, said they are moving in a couple weeks because they are afraid for their safety when shit gets rolling next month. They get harassed a lot in town and that sucks and they have children. So they are going to another state where they feel safer.
I just hope it all gets done quickly and we can start to clean up the mess.
Bayard
(22,110 posts)But Nancy has too much class for that.
3catwoman3
(24,013 posts)Id pay even more for the chance to do it myself.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Why waste another opportunity for trump to make a fool of himself, again, and for all to see and hear. She knows he just can't help himself, and will say really stupid stuff, and when he does attack her, I have faith she'll put him in his place again, and drive more voters to run from this stupid idiot called trump.
NotASurfer
(2,153 posts)I can't predict what's in the works, but I expect it to be highly effective in emphasizing his complicity in selling out the country. With him, all roads.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)cojoel
(957 posts)Then if he gets out of had she pushes the button that opens the trap door.
What is beneath the trap door is left to the reader's imagination.