The Moscow Mitch and gutless Graham blunder that will haunt them all the way to the election.

[shockey80]

What a great Christmas gift they gave to the Democrats. Frankly, I am surprised there are not TV ads already up and running showing these two assholes saying on the news they will rig the impeachment trial.

They appeared on the news proudly telling the American people we will violate our oath and rig the trial. We will work with Trump to make sure he is acquitted. The political TV ads will be devastating.

No matter what the Republicans do now in the trial the Democrats can say and show the Republicans rigged the trial. The Democrats should run Political ads 24hrs a day showing the video of Moscow Mitch and Graham betraying their oath and the constitution. They can't take it back, they can't say we were kidding. If they acquit Trump, the Democrats can run political ads showing Mitch and Graham on video saying they will rig the trial.

I don't know what the Democrats are waiting for, They should be producing those ads right now.

If the Democrats can't take advantage of this giant blunder and use it to show the American people how corrupt the Republicans have become, I will be shocked and depressed. This is the kind of mistake that ends careers.

I would like to see a political TV ad showing the video of Trump asking Russia, Ukraine and China to help him rig the election and then showing the video of Moscow Mitch and gutless Graham saying they will rig the Impeachment trial, an impeachment trial about Trump asking other countries to help him rig the election.

[calimary]

1. I'd like to see them implementing your ideas.

[Kid Berwyn]

2. Senate GOP wants speedy Trump acquittal

Leading my GOOGLE news feed...

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/475906-senate-gop-wants-speedy-trump-acquittal

[California_Republic]

27. I think DU needs to be able to do these things directly.

[Scotch-Irish]

3. Democrats have a HUGE amount of ammunition, that they never use.

Hoisting [very deserving] assholes on their own petard has never been one of our strong points.

Why we don't use our millions of contribution dollars telling the truth to counter the republican lies is something I've never understood.

[CousinIT]

5. What I think would make billionaire candidates more useful is to fund these ads...

...instead of being candidates.

[usaf-vet]

15. EXACTLY!

[OMGWTF]

16. Or better yet, buy Fux News and turn it progressive.

[Tumbulu]

44. Yes!!!!!!!

I just done get it! And buy Rush Limbaugh too!

[not_the_one]

7. Exactly

Democrats keep getting handed these killer opportunities, but they don't take them. Letting things sit and stew don't always work out so well for us. Mueller, the report, and Barr's rebuttal which sat out there so long it became the assumed truth, are good examples. Meanwhile, we sat on our hands, while Mueller wrote a "strongly worded" letter, and then refused to testify, until it was too late.

Which is why I am all for passing on the baton to a younger generation. The same old same old is WHY we are at this point.

[MsLeopard]

8. +1,000. nt

[shockey80]

10. If Trump is not convicted and then wins the election.

The baton will be passed onto the younger generation, a very liberal, progressive younger generation.

[pangaia]

30. too late...

[at140]

51. That will be too late...global warming will

do us in 11.5 years, not enough time for the young voters to become a force.

[smirkymonkey]

18. +1000

It is so frustrating!

[LiberalLovinLug]

48. +1000

[Skittles]

50. CORRECT

[DownriverDem]

55. Include them

but passing the baton is not needed. They wanted Nancy gone and look how exceptional she is. No, use talent no matter the age.

[usaf-vet]

17. Me neither!

[kacekwl]

43. It blows my mind

that the Democratic Party lets these types of opportunities slip away constantly it seems.

[bitterross]

4. The Trump Cult/Base doesn't care. They love it.

Perhaps, those ads would have some effect on the the "swing" and independent voters. I don't know. I would hope so.

The Trump cult does not care though. They are completely in favor of doing ANY and EVERYthing possible to keep Trump. They don't give a damn if it's legal, moral, or ethical. They just want to keep their savior of hate in office so they can continue to openly hate and attack minorities, women, LGBTQ+ and immigrants.

Why the hell they think a rich (not billionaire) asshole who lives on 5th Ave in NYC gives a damn about their ignorant, red-neck asses and will actually share anything with them is beyond me.

[Thunderbeast]

6. It is all about "STICKING IT TO THE LIBS"

50 years ago, the hippies had all the fun. They went to Woodstock instead of boot camp.

When confronted by the truth of the Vietnam War, conservatives chose denial and a John Wayne explanation of what went wrong...Those damn egghead intellectuals lost a perfectly good war.

Ever since, the boomer generation has been fighting the same culture war. Any chance to get revenge reflects a long history of grievance.

[calimary]

25. Your last word is their first. "Grievance."

That sums it up. They’ve nursed their grievances for decades to the point where it’s come to define them.

[JoeDuck]

54. Trump is the point of focus.

I agree with you that the ads would have no impact on the Trump cult. I don't think that focusing on state politicians is a winning strategy for beating Trump in the presidential race. The former Republican governor of Kentucky did just the opposite and lost: He focused on Trump and national issues instead of state issues, expecting that the Trump base would re-elect him. Instead, his Democratic opponent ran on issues directly affecting the state, and he won.

I hope Kentucky voters will unseat McConnell and South Carolina voters will defeat Graham. That is a longshot hope, however. I live in Kentucky and will vote for a Democrat to beat McConnell, but while Mitch obstructs things on the national stage, he brags about his success in bringing money to Kentucky when he's in Kentucky, pumping misinformation to Kentucky voters. If Democrats want to unseat Mitch, it won't be by focusing on what he does for Trump, it will have to be by somehow convincing voters that he isn't as good for Kentucky as he boasts he is.

And a focus on McConnell, in my opinion, won't help defeat Trump in a national election.

[StarfishSaver]

9. Another thread grappling for an excuse to bash Democrats

[shockey80]

11. Another thread for you to bash a member you don't agree with.

[pangaia]

31. WHAT ? Bash?

This situation is absolutely 100% right on the money.

Dems, in my opinion, have no messaging chops at all....

Hell, hire whomever the woman is who leads the McDonald's PR campaign!

[Catch2.2]

12. "Frankly, I am surprised there are not TV ads already up and running showing these two assholes say"

Thats because Dems are not as good as Rethugs when it comes to things like this. The Dems need to be airing ads like tis on social media, TV, etc. non stop!! Dems need to go on the offensive more.



*I am not bashing the Dems, I am merely trying to give some constructive criticism by expressing my opinion. Please do not delete my post.

[shockey80]

13. Exactly.

[smirkymonkey]

19. Hear, hear!

[BigmanPigman]

42. Amen to that!

[usaf-vet]

14. I get so frustrated with the home team. Why is it that is seems if this were a hockey match we....

.... would wait until the repugs score a goal on the open net..... THEN we'd decide to put in a goalkeeper.

I don't know what the Democrats are waiting for, They should be producing those ads right now.

I totally agree.

[shockey80]

21. The Republicans say, we will not work with the Democrats.

The democrats say, we must work with the Republicans to get things done. The Democrats are right, but is it working? We will know the answer in 2020.

[Nitram]

20. The only reason Democrats haven't want to make a big deal about that yet is that there is still

a chance they'll get Mitch to allow witnesses.

[shockey80]

23. Let's be nice and maybe Mitch will let us have witnesses?????

Thank you for making my point.

[Nitram]

26. Umm, not exactly shockey. I'm not sure how you read that I thought it was "nice" to refuse to

send over the articles of impeachment, leaving McConnell and the Senate dangling in the wind and no place to go. You've got a lot to learn about politics. And debate.

[paleotn]

29. No one's being nice to Mitch....

He's twisting in the breeze, while Pelosi holds all the cards. He's on the defensive, reacting while Madam Speaker acts.

[pangaia]

32. LOLOL

But it's not really funny at all, is it...

[helpisontheway]

22. I wish we had money to put out an ad with their words

Called Sham trial. Then air it while Trump attempts his victory lap.

[paleotn]

34. In time...grasshopper...in time.

[SCVDem]

24. People would be more pissed

If the voting on Dancing or singing shows was (more) rigged!

I am serious!

[pangaia]

28. "....I am surprised there are not TV ads already up and running..."

I'm, unfortunately, not surprised at all.

As great as WE are in caring and trying to do the right thing, "we" have almost zero clue about messaging...

[paleotn]

33. Let me guess.....

You thought Nancy Pelosi was weak since she didn't start immediate impeachment proceedings as soon as she picked up the gavel. Am I right? Many here wailed, pulled their hair and rolled around for months about how Pelosi was weak, timid and most certainly not Speaker material. Doomed, I tell you, we're all dooooomed! Then.....all of a sudden.....she was brilliant!!!!! The best speaker EVER!!!! But since IQ45 and his minions didn't automatically...dissappear!....we're back to wailing, hair pulling and rolling around on the ground...Dems weak! What are they waiting for!? What are we going to do?! AAGGGGG! For some reason, you folks remind me of this guy.... Jesus, folks, get a fucking grip!

[StarfishSaver]

39. Sounds about right

Predictable

[uponit7771]

40. Or maybe we don't want to keep hearing from the "Build a fire, single a couple of songs" crew and...

... would like concrete solutions other than "trust her".

On the other hand, by now Pelosi should've earned most folk trust seeing she's been whoppin azz but it's rational to not "mostly trust" representatives.

[paleotn]

47. Well, she's done a pretty bang up job so far.

They have a plans and have gamed this out as much as possible, but I doubt seriously they're going to share that with you or I other than what we've seen so far. My better half gets just as frustrated,and my usual answer is....OK...let's pool our money and hire a hit squad. Something out of the end of Scarface. Other than that, as frustratingly slow as it may be, we must let this play out politically and constitutionally.

[StarfishSaver]

52. I just don't understand the people complaining that Pelosi isn't telling us her gameplan in advance

As if she can whisper it to us and the Republicans won't hear it.

[GeorgeGist]

53. Keep your powder dry.

[uugh

[subana]

35. not only that

but Lindsey said he wasn't going to bother reading the evidence from the House's inquiry!!

There's plenty of evidence of republican's unwillingness to conduct a real trial!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

36. I have a theory about why McConnell and Graham have been handling the situation

as they've been doing: They and the other Senate GOPers know Trump is nuts; they are no doubt painfully aware of how nuts he is, but they're too afraid of him and his base to speak up or challenge him. Everything they are doing and saying right now is for an audience of one - Trump - and not for Democrats, Nancy Pelosi or anybody else. They are doing whatever they think they have to do to placate him and make him think they've got it under control.

And I think the reason for this is that they are very afraid that if the Senate GOPers, McConnell especially, can't make this impeachment thing go away quickly and result in what Trump can call total exoneration, Trump, who is already starting to wig out, will go full Chernobyl. He will do something so spectacularly insane and awful that they won't be able to explain or justify it to anybody but the most brainwashed 25%, the hard-core cult members. Maybe they even suspect or know what that might be. The result, if it happens, will be that they and the GOP will own whatever disaster Trump initiates and the party will be so radioactive that no political life can survive anywhere near it.

They're riding the tiger and they don't dare fall off.

[shockey80]

38. You are describing them as cowards, I believe you are correct.

They are hoping if they protect Trump everything will turn out OK. They will keep their seats and they can keep Trump under control and they will live happily ever after. They have no balls and they are fools.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

41. But I think it's worse than their usual cowardice.

I suspect that they are afraid not only of alienating the loony-tune base if they fail to stop the trial, but of causing Trump to go so completely mad that he does something that will utterly destroy the party - or worse.

[mopinko]

37. the 'this was then, this is now' ads write themselves.

hell, they could weaponize the segment that chuck todd (!!) did last week.
back to back vids of those 2, plus collins, who else?

start there.

[bucolic_frolic]

45. Democrats must let this play out lest it's some kind of trap, but yeah, blunder barely begins

to describe it. It puts them clearly on the opposite side of rule of law, Constitution, and patriotism.

Trouble is, do enough Americans recognize patriotism when they see it? Or do they think it wears a red hat because the red hat tells them so?

[Mr. Ected]

46. While I don't disagree with you

I think our reps are more concerned with removing any patent "partisan" cast to this impeachment inquiry and try it solely on its merits. Attacking McConnell et al. means the GOP propaganda team can go full-bore "Dems being Dems" and perhaps neutralize some of our good faith in the process. Just like a prosecutor wouldn't malign the defendant or his counsel personally prior to trial, it could be argued that avoiding acts that could be deemed overtly political at this juncture suits the Dems' cause more than calling the GOP out for its sabotage of the process. Thinking Americans already perceive them through that lens anyway.

[keithbvadu2]

49. Moscow Mitch et al are whining that Pelosi is not immediately sending the articles of impeachment to

Moscow Mitch et al are whining that Pelosi is not immediately sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate.

I don't remember where in these forums I saw it but a post was made that the articles for Clinton's impeachment were sent to the Senate prior to Christmas but the republican Senate did not do anything until everyone returned after Christmas break.