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Silent3

(15,230 posts)
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:03 PM Dec 2019

Predicting Democratic win: making us complacent, predicting loss: trying to discourage us

This is a sadly predictable pattern of responses around here.

It's actually possible for someone to make a prediction based on their own perception of, you know, THE ODDS, and not have a nefarious motivation to manipulate voters one way or the other by what they're saying.

It's actually possible for a pollster to simply apply the same polling techniques they always apply and then the numbers they report go up and down over time when they do that, without anyone behind the scenes twirling a villainous mustache and manipulating the results in a way that's meant to hurt Democrats.

Of course, some people's predictions are better supported and argued than others. Some pollsters methodologies are more accurate and reliable than others.

But it's silly to constantly leap to conclusions about motivations behind predictions and poll numbers. Sure, it can happen that someone is just making up predictions or inventing numbers with an agenda in mind. But it's hardly even clear whether supposed complacency caused by predictions in our favor or alleged discouragement caused by odds against us are very significant effects, and not largely cancelled out by increased motivation to fight against loss, or encouragement to be part of a victory.

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Predicting Democratic win: making us complacent, predicting loss: trying to discourage us (Original Post) Silent3 Dec 2019 OP
"When passions drives, H2O Man Dec 2019 #1
Silly Ben; cars don't have reins! Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #2

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
1. "When passions drives,
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:37 PM
Dec 2019

let reason hold the reins." -- Ben Franklin

"Predictions" on how the 2020 election will play out in eleven months tend to be rooted in two unreliable factors: emotions and current events. In the context of Trump, it is safe to say 20-25% of potential 2020 voters are passionately pro-Trump, versus 40% who are equally passionate in their anti-Trump motivation. These people will vote for or against Trump -- assuming he is on the ballot -- no matter what the future "current events" hold.

There are, of course, too many possibilities for future events to determine how the other 30-35% of voters will react or respond to, to make a meaningful prediction today. Perhaps the most significant factor is if the Democratic Party can unite behind a ticket that excites those numerous groups required to insure a victory. Certainly, the potential to unite the party is an option available to us. But, as history has shown, the opposite potential is there, too.

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