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applegrove

(118,682 posts)
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 12:26 PM Dec 2019

Crisis Looms in Antibiotics as Drug Makers Go Bankrupt

Crisis Looms in Antibiotics as Drug Makers Go Bankrupt

First Big Pharma fled the field, and now start-ups are going belly up, threatening to stifle the development of new drugs.

By Andrew Jacobs at the NYTimes

Dec. 25, 2019, 5:42 a.m. ET

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/25/health/antibiotics-new-resistance.html#click=https://t.co/1i8YKkXx7T

"SNIP....

At a time when germs are growing more resistant to common antibiotics, many companies that are developing new versions of the drugs are hemorrhaging money and going out of business, gravely undermining efforts to contain the spread of deadly, drug-resistant bacteria.

Antibiotic start-ups like Achaogen and Aradigm have gone belly up in recent months, pharmaceutical behemoths like Novartis and Allergan have abandoned the sector and many of the remaining American antibiotic companies are teetering toward insolvency. One of the biggest developers of antibiotics, Melinta Therapeutics, recently warned regulators it was running out of cash.

Experts say the grim financial outlook for the few companies still committed to antibiotic research is driving away investors and threatening to strangle the development of new lifesaving drugs at a time when they are urgently needed.

“This is a crisis that should alarm everyone,” said Dr. Helen Boucher, an infectious disease specialist at Tufts Medical Center and a member of the Presidential Advisory Council on Combating Antibiotic-Resistant Bacteria.

.....SNIP"

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Crisis Looms in Antibiotics as Drug Makers Go Bankrupt (Original Post) applegrove Dec 2019 OP
"This is a crisis that should alarm everyone," ... CrispyQ Dec 2019 #1
It does look like we are sealing off all escape hatches, doesn't it? nt Blue_true Dec 2019 #22
Capitalism at work, chasing the sexy drugs... Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #2
Plus 1. safeinOhio Dec 2019 #4
Yeah, and while we're dreaming... Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #6
and cut the patent time back safeinOhio Dec 2019 #7
How did all you guys get THIS out of that article? Hortensis Dec 2019 #21
Doctors at the University of Florida saved the life of a young man Blue_true Dec 2019 #23
:) Guessing Vibrio, not bacteria Politicus idiosus? Hortensis Dec 2019 #37
The article said that it was brain eating bacteria. The young guy had been swimming. Blue_true Dec 2019 #41
That's damn right! paleotn Dec 2019 #8
Yep. How many times do we have to say, "Capitalism doesn't care if you die" before Nay Dec 2019 #12
This was quite true of liberalhistorian Dec 2019 #16
+100 Duppers Dec 2019 #13
Pharmaceuticals should be treated as a public utility. Crunchy Frog Dec 2019 #3
perhaps we need something in health as NASA is to A & S Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #18
Increase funding to National Institute of Health karynnj Dec 2019 #24
Yep. Research is government funded for the most part.... paleotn Dec 2019 #40
Rec +1000 You beat me to it. paleotn Dec 2019 #5
Market capitalism without significant government regulation does not work PERIOD. hedda_foil Dec 2019 #36
I wouldn't go that far....In most markets..... paleotn Dec 2019 #39
Well. It appears then that the 100000% markup on their drugs is actually NOT going to research CousinIT Dec 2019 #9
This is my take-away, too. NBachers Dec 2019 #30
A failing system due to money worship. n/t MarcA Dec 2019 #10
That pretty much sums up Lindsay Dec 2019 #11
You hit it on the mark. Big, rich companies can't stand to risk losing a penny, Blue_true Dec 2019 #25
This research sounds like a role for government! PatrickforO Dec 2019 #14
Government used to fund that type of research. Blue_true Dec 2019 #27
perhaps also a human element at play stopdiggin Dec 2019 #15
Thanks for highlighting this. applegrove Dec 2019 #20
Where's Shkreli? moondust Dec 2019 #17
What are you talking about ? Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2019 #34
Sense of humor not working today? moondust Dec 2019 #35
This has been on going ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #19
They will start using chemotherapy drugs when the antibiotics stop working. roamer65 Dec 2019 #26
My guess is that if we have a pandemic, we will start to see full strength penicillin. Blue_true Dec 2019 #28
As someone who has had c. diff colitis from an antibiotic, marybourg Dec 2019 #29
C diff is a toughie. roamer65 Dec 2019 #33
Candidates will still rail against drug companies, even those that really aren't taking advantage Hoyt Dec 2019 #31
Top priority for drug companies: hatrack Dec 2019 #32
Yet there certainly seems to be no shortage of antibiotics for livestock...I wonder why that is? pecosbob Dec 2019 #38
Cry me a river notinkansas Dec 2019 #42

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
1. "This is a crisis that should alarm everyone," ...
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 12:30 PM
Dec 2019

So true on so many fronts. Humanity is about to get punched in the face.

Wounded Bear

(58,666 posts)
2. Capitalism at work, chasing the sexy drugs...
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 12:32 PM
Dec 2019

the boring shit doesn't matter. All it does is keep people alive. All the money is in sexy shit and making a name chasing obscure syndromes nobody has ever heard of.

We need to socialize this to something whose main purpose is keeping people alive, curing real diseases, and alleviating suffering instead of just making money for rich asshole investors.

Wounded Bear

(58,666 posts)
6. Yeah, and while we're dreaming...
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 12:43 PM
Dec 2019

how about banning advertising on public media of drugs nobody can pronounce for shit nobody has ever heard of, too.

I guy can dream.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. How did all you guys get THIS out of that article?
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 05:20 PM
Dec 2019

Come on. This UNDERLINES the need for progressive government assistance in giant projects like developing new antibiotics, including before the next great pandemic.

The headline says startups trying to develop them are going bankrupt!

And Big Pharm backed off because the Republican-controlled government won't invest and provide the usual progressive guarantees and protections against the big risks of heavy losses involved. In others words -- NO progressive assistance.

That's the takeaway.

But here's another: EVERYONE who didn't vote to put government in control the progressive party (that's the Democrats) and to keep Republicans out of power in 2016 and 2018, and all the years before for that matter, effectively VOTED FOR THIS!

Imo, we also need an antibiotic for brain-eating bacteria. Before they destroy us.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. Doctors at the University of Florida saved the life of a young man
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 08:46 PM
Dec 2019

whose brain was being attacked by flesh eating bacteria. They lowered his body temperature to the point where he was still alive but in a coma. The temperature reduction also put the flesh eating bacteria into a dormant state in which Doctors were able to attack it with regular antibiotics and kill it. Once the bacteria was dead, the young guy was brought out of the coma and survived.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. :) Guessing Vibrio, not bacteria Politicus idiosus?
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 08:38 AM
Dec 2019

How wonderful that with modern medicine U of FL was able to save his life.

But climate change anyone? Warming waters are causing bacterial growth and people on the coasts to become dreadfully ill.

Next November either the Republican or Democratic Party is going to at least mostly control the federal government.

Past time for anyone who's voted irresponsibly in the past, including "symbolically" for someone who can't win, to realize that these are the consequences of our own irresponsibility. People need to start voting as if our lives and others we care about are at stake. Because they are.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
41. The article said that it was brain eating bacteria. The young guy had been swimming.
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 02:26 PM
Dec 2019

His case was the first known case where the bacteria was killed and the patient recovered.

Climate change is causing increase reproduction in a lot of bad organisms, also the mosquito season here in Florida seems to be longer.

I totally agree with you on voting. Given how destructive the Republican Party has been, I have absolutely no clue why anyone that call themselves progressive wouldn't crawl to the polls if needed to vote for every democrat on the ballot. People like Susan Sarandon and Cornell West talk about a "revolution". They have been talking that nonsense since the seventies and all that got us were Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and now Trump. Democratic Presidents keep getting elected only to have to clean up the shit that the preceding republican left, then the "revolutionaries" blame the democrat for not making life pink ponies in the sky and free buffets for anyone that want one.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
8. That's damn right!
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 12:49 PM
Dec 2019

Someone wants to make lawn chairs or helium balloons in a strictly market driven economy? Sure. Knock yourselves out. But when it comes to people's lives and in this case, the incubation of monstrous drug resistant pandemics? Hell no. I doubt many of us want to go back to the 19th century when it comes to infectious disease, but that's exactly where we're headed, thanks to our blind allegiance to market economics in areas any sane person would recognize it doesn't belong.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
12. Yep. How many times do we have to say, "Capitalism doesn't care if you die" before
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 02:55 PM
Dec 2019

people get it?

In fact, if capitalism can earn a dime for actually killing you, it will do so without even looking back.

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
16. This was quite true of
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 04:31 PM
Dec 2019

many German, American (I'm looking right at you, IBM) and international private companies who profited greatly from supplying the Nazi regime and/or from brutal slave labor in its factories in order to supply Nazi needs.

And it's true now of our private defense companies, the private companies that supply the needs of ICE and the border patrol (you know, little things like cages for children and non-climate-controlled buildings to warehouse thousands of migrants and refugees, etc.). And often any protest against these industries is labeled "un-American", as they have the right to make a buck, how and why and consequences be damned, profit uber alles. It's the American way!

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
13. +100
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 03:12 PM
Dec 2019

Yet there are some folks dying from "obscure syndromes." But that research needs to be socialized too.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
3. Pharmaceuticals should be treated as a public utility.
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 12:35 PM
Dec 2019

At least the basic ones, and the ones that aren't particularly profitable.

Big corporations can focus on blockbuster boner pills.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
24. Increase funding to National Institute of Health
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 08:53 PM
Dec 2019

In fact,imagine if they could review and find the proposed drugs promising, perhaps they could give grants to the failing startups. Possibly for a cap on price if a drug is successful and is produced. A real private/public effort.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
40. Yep. Research is government funded for the most part....
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:53 AM
Dec 2019

and produced in a government contract structure similar to NASA, DoD, etc. Not perfect, but beats the hell out of the free market royally fucking up and half or more of us dying from a black plague like pandemic.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
5. Rec +1000 You beat me to it.
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 12:41 PM
Dec 2019

Quite possibly the most frightening article I've read...maybe ever. The kicker is these drugs aren't available for the rich or anyone else who needs them to save their lives if they're left to languish because it's unprofitable to complete development, manufacture and market. A complete and total failure of market economics when it comes to healthcare, if even the rich can't access life saving drugs. And the funny thing about drug resistant pathogens...they don't give two shits who you are or how much money you have. They're an equal opportunity killer.

But God forbid guvament get involved in healthcare in any way, shape or form. Market economics. That's the solution! The solution to everything!

THIS is why market capitalism without significant and in some cases massive government intervention DOES NOT WORK in healthcare. Period. End of Fucking Memo.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
39. I wouldn't go that far....In most markets.....
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:49 AM
Dec 2019

government need only set the basic rules and act as referee. All governments do that and for the most part, market forces work just fine within the confines of commons sense. Except...in the areas of needs like food, water, shelter...the commons, and for things that can easily kill us if producers are left to their darker angels. The difference between flower vases and cars for instance. It's a sliding scale of government regulation based on good sense, rooted in a realistic understanding of human nature.

Healthcare is one area where it does not work at all, no matter how tightly the market is controlled. Market forces completely break down when it comes to people's health and lives. In the case of the NYT article, they break down to the point that even rich people are screwed. Right now, the same drug resistant pathogen could kill a homeless person and Bill Gates and there's nothing Gates could do about it no matter how rich he is. That's off the rails to the point even a right winger can understand.

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
9. Well. It appears then that the 100000% markup on their drugs is actually NOT going to research
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 01:02 PM
Dec 2019

But rather into some wealthy PharmaBro CEO's pockets or to the damn shareholders.

Humanity be damned.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. You hit it on the mark. Big, rich companies can't stand to risk losing a penny,
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 08:57 PM
Dec 2019

so they run away from anything where a big profit isn't right around the corner.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
14. This research sounds like a role for government!
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 03:26 PM
Dec 2019

The profit motive does not belong in the production of lifesaving drugs.

The profit motive does not belong in the provision of health care.

Those things are both in the realm of public good, and so should be funded publicly.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. Government used to fund that type of research.
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 09:09 PM
Dec 2019

Once a product was in sight, private companies took over. Remember republicans ridiculing research on lizards that somehow survived hot deserts, of amoeba that survived under ice? Well, such efforts were the basic research that frequently led to "wonder" drugs or therapies down the line. But Jim and Julie Sixpack living in some leafy suburb only say the republicans' arguments (or idiocy) and voted republican.

Government money that used to go toward medical research that had no products in sight, but which was in the public interest is all but nonexistent today. We see "emergency" funding when something like a mosquito borne illness like Zika strike and scare people shitless, but not at other times when there is no crisis, just longterm public health protection.

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
15. perhaps also a human element at play
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 04:17 PM
Dec 2019

(good article, applegrove)
more from link, NYTimes:

The DISARM Act, a bill introduced in Congress earlier this year, would direct Medicare to reimburse hospitals for new and critically important antibiotics. The bill has bipartisan support but has yet to advance.

One of its sponsors, Senator Bob Casey, Democrat of Pennsylvania, said some of the reluctance to push it forward stemmed from the political sensitivity over soaring prescription drug prices. “There is some institutional resistance to any legislation that provides financial incentives to drug companies,” he said.

-snip-

The industry faces another challenge: After years of being bombarded with warnings against profligate use of antibiotics, doctors have become reluctant to prescribe the newest medications, limiting the ability of companies to recoup the investment spent to discover the compounds and win regulatory approval. And in their drive to save money, many hospital pharmacies will dispense cheaper generics even when a newer drug is far superior.

“You’d never tell a cancer patient ‘Why don’t you try a 1950s drug first and if doesn’t work, we’ll move on to one from the 1980s,” said Kevin Outterson, the executive director of CARB-X, a government-funded nonprofit that provides grants to companies working on antimicrobial resistance. “We do this with antibiotics and it’s really having an adverse effect on patients and the marketplace.”

One takeaway here -- is that part of the "marketplace" problem highlighted is that consumers themselves do not want to pay for the new drugs -- and, at the same time, they're also not too keen on having someone else (read government) subsidize their cost either.

Which leaves us where? Companies developing brilliant (and desperately needed) new medical solutions -- finding almost no market for such -- and going broke. And the public showing little sympathy or appetite for solutions to the problem. Perhaps foolishly (but that's sometimes how we foolish humans measure things).

moondust

(19,992 posts)
17. Where's Shkreli?
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 04:47 PM
Dec 2019

I'll bet he could git'er done!

Oh heck, he's sittin' in prison for gitin'er done. Sorry.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
34. What are you talking about ?
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 10:45 PM
Dec 2019

Martin Shkreli didn't get ANYTHING done unless you consider massive fraud to be an accomplishment. His company did not break any new ground nor did it establish any new medication, treatments or therapies for anything. All he did was take an existing medication and jack up the price beyond reason. How is that an accomplishment ?

He is exactly where he deserves to be. In penitentiary.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
19. This has been on going
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 05:10 PM
Dec 2019

Went to education days on this 10 years ago. No money to be made in antibiotics.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
26. They will start using chemotherapy drugs when the antibiotics stop working.
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 09:03 PM
Dec 2019

Fluoroquinlone antibiotics were originally designed to be chemotherapy drugs, but when they failed at that task, they were then employed as antibiotics.

Doxorubicin has antibiotic properties, but as a chemo drug it’s nickname is the “red devil” for a reason.

It will be like the days before penicillin, when the cure was as bad or worse than disease itself.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
28. My guess is that if we have a pandemic, we will start to see full strength penicillin.
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 09:26 PM
Dec 2019

Most of the penicillin drugs on the market today are way watered down, and even they are classed as "high risk" (get into a health insurance plan that track medicines, you will see what I am talking about). Full strength penicillin kills shit, but it knocks people on their asses, so there is hesitancy to roll it out.

marybourg

(12,633 posts)
29. As someone who has had c. diff colitis from an antibiotic,
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 09:44 PM
Dec 2019

and who is now trying to flush out an incipient u.t.i. and hoping not to have to take an antibiotic for it, I’d say the day has already come.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
33. C diff is a toughie.
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 10:45 PM
Dec 2019

First line is metronidazole (aka Flagyl). It hate that stuff.

Good luck to you.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
31. Candidates will still rail against drug companies, even those that really aren't taking advantage
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 09:53 PM
Dec 2019

of things in all cases. Have too many losing meds, and it's tough to keep the doors open.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
32. Top priority for drug companies:
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 09:57 PM
Dec 2019

Finding drugs that will help wealthy old people:

1. Look younger
2. Grow hair
3. Fuck

Antibiotics? Feh.
Vaccines? Puh-leeze.
Affordable drugs that deal with bilharzia, malaria, dengue, filariasis, leishmaniasis, Chagas disease or tuberculosis? You're joking, right?

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