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SCVDem

(5,103 posts) Wed Dec 25, 2019, 02:57 AM Dec 2019

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A President under impeachment

Should NOT have the power of pardons!

The ultimate obstruction of justice is the ability to green light lies and bullshit!

This is America?

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A President under impeachment (Original Post) SCVDem Dec 2019 OP

Him is IMPEACHED underthematrix Dec 2019 #1

Sure there is SCVDem Dec 2019 #2

You have my vote! fleur-de-lisa Dec 2019 #3

Article II, Section II Mike Niendorff Dec 2019 #4

The House voting to impeach does not limit the president's pardon power. tritsofme Dec 2019 #5

Perhaps you're misreading that clause PJMcK Dec 2019 #8

Yes, Virginia, this is America where money talks and suckers walk. abqtommy Dec 2019 #6

The constitutional system is not the problem FBaggins Dec 2019 #7

I'm not so sure about that Buckeyeblue Dec 2019 #9

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)

1. Him is IMPEACHED

Reply to SCVDem (Original post)

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 03:07 AM

Dec 2019

There's no such thing as "under impeachment"

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)

2. Sure there is

Reply to underthematrix (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 04:04 AM

Dec 2019

I just made it up!

Can I be president now?

fleur-de-lisa

(14,627 posts)

3. You have my vote!

Reply to SCVDem (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 05:34 AM

Dec 2019

Mike Niendorff

(3,462 posts)

4. Article II, Section II

Reply to SCVDem (Original post)

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 06:15 AM

Dec 2019

The moment he was impeached, everything changed:

US Constitution, Article II, Section II

"he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

MDN

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)

5. The House voting to impeach does not limit the president's pardon power.

Reply to Mike Niendorff (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 06:24 AM

Dec 2019

This simply means that the president’s pardon power does not extend to impeachment proceedings.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)

8. Perhaps you're misreading that clause

Reply to Mike Niendorff (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 09:51 AM

Dec 2019

It means that the president cannot pardon someone who has been impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate.

A logical conclusion is that the president cannot pardon himself if he's impeached and convicted.

The clause does not limit the president's ability to pardon others convicted of crimes. That power is unfortunately unlimited.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)

6. Yes, Virginia, this is America where money talks and suckers walk.

Reply to SCVDem (Original post)

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 07:26 AM

Dec 2019

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)

7. The constitutional system is not the problem

Reply to SCVDem (Original post)

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 07:48 AM

Dec 2019

There’s no way that the founders would have gone for a system where a small majority in one chamber of the legislative branch could remove constitutional powers.

It doesn’t matter whether you want to blame senators that won’t hold a fair trial or a House that won’t let it start... they didn’t anticipate a situation where a president could go for months as impeached, but neither removed nor acquited.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)

9. I'm not so sure about that

Reply to FBaggins (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 12:37 PM

Dec 2019

The founders wanted a system where extreme change was difficult. I think they also wanted impeachment to be difficult. But the problem is that they never anticipated that congress would put their party affiliations ahead of the well being of the country.

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