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applegrove

(118,677 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:42 PM Dec 2019

Now Christianity Today has done it again with another editorial (they weren't kidding i guess)

https://crooksandliars.com/2019/12/citing-love-jesus-christianity-today

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Now Christianity Today has done it again with another editorial, this time by Timothy Dalrymple, their president and CEO, "The Flag In The Whirlwind":

The problem is not that we as evangelicals are associated with the Trump administration’s judicial appointments or its advocacy of life, family, and religious liberty. We are happy to celebrate the positive things the administration has accomplished. The problem is that we as evangelicals are also associated with President Trump’s rampant immorality, greed, and corruption; his divisiveness and race-baiting; his cruelty and hostility to immigrants and refugees; and more. In other words, the problem is the wholeheartedness of the embrace. It is one thing to praise his accomplishments; it is another to excuse and deny his obvious misuses of power.

Similarly, this is neither a criticism of the evangelical Trump voter nor an endorsement of the Democrats. The 2016 election confronted evangelical voters with an impossible dilemma: Vote for a pro-choice candidate whose policies would advance so much of what we oppose, or vote for an extravagantly immoral candidate who could well damage the standing of the republic and the witness of the church. Countless men and women we hold in the highest regard voted for President Trump, some wholeheartedly and some reluctantly. Friends we love and respect have also counseled and worked within the Trump administration. We believe they are doing their best to serve wisely in a fallen world.

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We nevertheless believe the evangelical alliance with this presidency has done damage to our witness here and abroad. The cost has been too high. American evangelicalism is not a Republican PAC. We are a diverse movement that should collaborate with political parties when prudent but always standing apart, at a prophetic distance, to be what Martin Luther King, Jr. called “the conscience of the state.” That is what we believe. This is where we plant our flag. We know we are not alone.


Dalrymple closes by saying the publication welcomes supporters and critics alike to submit essays, because "it is time for evangelicals to have a serious discussion about how our identity as Christians shapes our activity as citizens."

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Now Christianity Today has done it again with another editorial (they weren't kidding i guess) (Original Post) applegrove Dec 2019 OP
Fuck Dalrymple and fuck these ilk. roamer65 Dec 2019 #1
It's about time they speak up. Silver1 Dec 2019 #2
Evangelicals always seem to have their foot on the brake about everything. pwb Dec 2019 #3
I know evangelical Christians - including in my own family - who are as far from . . . . . Stinky The Clown Dec 2019 #4
There are good people everywhere Hekate Dec 2019 #19
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2019 #5
Maybe they saw liberals rethinking EVERYTHING and decided to get into it applegrove Dec 2019 #6
An UPDATE: elleng Dec 2019 #7
"American evangelicalism is not a Republican PAC." Capt. America Dec 2019 #8
GoP's worst fears realized... part of the base is thinking!!! About moral applegrove Dec 2019 #9
+1, they need to make a clean break ... they don't like the WAY Red Don is carrying out their uponit7771 Dec 2019 #12
When you lie with the dogs, don't bitch about the fleas. lastlib Dec 2019 #10
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2019 #13
"The cost has been too high" gratuitous Dec 2019 #11
yes, it's the cost to their "witness", aka reputation and ability to con Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #14
K & R LAS14 Dec 2019 #15
These guys just want Pence Bluesaph Dec 2019 #16
I bet they do. applegrove Dec 2019 #17
Recommended. I hope they find their way back. They did a lot better when they held themselves apart Hekate Dec 2019 #18
When the evangelicals start to demonstrate that they are following Jesus' doctrine as he taught it.. usaf-vet Dec 2019 #20

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
1. Fuck Dalrymple and fuck these ilk.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:47 PM
Dec 2019

The best route forward for the human race is the elimination of religion.

pwb

(11,276 posts)
3. Evangelicals always seem to have their foot on the brake about everything.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:51 PM
Dec 2019

They can only get better as far as i am concerned.

Stinky The Clown

(67,807 posts)
4. I know evangelical Christians - including in my own family - who are as far from . . . . .
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:51 PM
Dec 2019

. . . . . the right wing tilt that has been the recent history of them. They are on the same side of most issues as I am. There are differences, to be sure, but there is mutual love and respect in those differences.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
12. +1, they need to make a clean break ... they don't like the WAY Red Don is carrying out their
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 02:16 AM
Dec 2019

... heartlessness not the heartlessness

lastlib

(23,243 posts)
10. When you lie with the dogs, don't bitch about the fleas.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:48 AM
Dec 2019

When you play with tar, expect it to stick. When you make your bed with the tRump crime family, you can bet your pink ass that bedbugs are going to bite you. Why couldn't these blithering idiots see that??!? And they want us to excuse their incestuous relationship with Republicans and applaud them for their high-falutin' moral family values when they divorce the scum that has soiled their precious, specious morality??

These fools have my eternal consent to proceed with self-fornication. With a pitchfork. An old rusty, manure-encrusted, tetanus-infected pitchfork. Sideways.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. "The cost has been too high"
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 01:09 AM
Dec 2019

They're just haggling over the price. Notice that Christianity Today doesn't enumerate the "positive things the administration has accomplished" like they do a quick rundown of immorality, greed,Trump's corruption, race-baiting, divisiveness, and cruelty and hostility toward immigrants and refugees.

My reading is that all of those sins would be forgiven, right quickly, if Trump was just a little quieter about it. It took almost three full years of this nonsense for Christianity Today to get mildly fed up for a moment.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
14. yes, it's the cost to their "witness", aka reputation and ability to con
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 02:28 AM
Dec 2019

They're only concerned with how they are perceived, because it will damage their ability to get more suckers to give them money.

They are revealed as immoral, vicious, lying hypocrites.

Piss on their Amway scams. Piss on their "witness". Piss on their "church".

They have evangelized hatred of all who are not within their cult of control.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
18. Recommended. I hope they find their way back. They did a lot better when they held themselves apart
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 04:37 AM
Dec 2019

...from "worldly" things, such as politics. They were seduced by grifters on both the political and religious sides -- the one side saying they could remake the world in one narrow way, if only they followed the GOP; and the other telling them that proof of God's love and approval of them was their prosperity versus other people's poverty and need.

Best of luck to the editors at CT.

usaf-vet

(6,188 posts)
20. When the evangelicals start to demonstrate that they are following Jesus' doctrine as he taught it..
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 08:29 AM
Dec 2019

.. not when some "would-be christian" takes the teaching and bends them for a political reason...then I will believe something has changed. Until then it all appears to me to be a tool of the RW republican agenda.

For example you celebrate his administration’s judicial appointments or its advocacy of life, family, and religious liberty.

Really tell that to the families that have been torn apart by his evil policies.
Or the folks who will face one of the RW judges he has appointed.

Nice try but I believe as a movement the evangelical seems to be driven more by hate than compassion.

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