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gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
12. Polls are a means for propaganda,
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 08:02 AM
Dec 2019

Impeachment does not help Trump, stop repeating polls. I really don't give a sheet what those polls proclaim, Trump's base will always remain at 35 to 40%. Saying that impeachment is helping Trump is like saying that I'm going to put my stubbed toe in a vise to make it feel better.

Also, impeachment is killing Trump, he is not a happy camper. A narcissist needs constant adoration and fluffing, impeaching a narcissist is the worst thing that can happen to him.

W_HAMILTON

(7,871 posts)
6. We were still recovering from the Great Recession, so, that isn't saying much.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:04 AM
Dec 2019

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W_HAMILTON

(7,871 posts)
8. We don't need to. We just need Democrats to turn out and vote like they have been doing since 2016.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:08 AM
Dec 2019

I mean, Romney won more votes in Wisconsin than Trump did, for god's sake.

Stop acting like this corrupt criminal that has never even once passed 50% approval is somehow unbeatable -- he's not.

W_HAMILTON

(7,871 posts)
10. Yeah, no.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:18 AM
Dec 2019

But I'm sure the Republicans thank you for helping them out and trying to depress Democratic turnout -- and before the convention has even been held this time!

If Republicans were half as confident in their own election chances as you are, they wouldn't have just tried to purge hundreds of thousands of voters from the Wisconsin voting rolls.

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
13. I've been around a long time,
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 08:12 AM
Dec 2019

and I have never been polled. The day that I get polled I will consider believing in polls.

FBaggins

(26,756 posts)
15. I was with you right up to the last four words
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 08:37 AM
Dec 2019

There’s no point bringing your religion into this!

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
17. Yeah polls exist, I will give you that,
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 09:16 AM
Dec 2019

I remember when Gallup was considered the king of polls. It got caught rigging its data predicting the 2008 election if I remember correctly. If not 2008 it was for another election.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. I'm not buying it either.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 11:59 AM
Dec 2019

I have never been polled in my life - have only lived in liberal strongholds - but my republican sister and her husband w/ a landline get polled all the time. I honestly believe they over-sample republicans. I can't prove it, but I believe it's true.

maxrandb

(15,346 posts)
16. It's tiring knocking this shit down, but
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 09:10 AM
Dec 2019

Look at 538. To get to that 43.5 number, they include Ratfuck-Mussen that has his "approval" number 5 to 9 percentage points higher than any other polls

I'm seeing so many of these "the sky is falling-his numbers are up" posts that I'm beginning to think the Russian Bot are celebrating Christmas early.

The real story is that, even with Reich Wing skewed polls, they still can't get his numbers above 43.5.

When do polls stop being polls and become propaganda?

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
18. Exactly, spot on.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 09:21 AM
Dec 2019

Trump's approval is going to stay somewhere between 35 and 40%, it's not going to get any higher than that.

Polls are used for propaganda right now. Less than 24 hours after the impeachment verdict I predicted that there would be polling to claim that impeachment is helping Trump. CNN even sent someone to a Trump hot bed in Pa. less than 24 hours after the vote to ask Trumpers if impeachment changed their minds. Breaking news, Trumpers weren't fazed by the impeachment. The MSM could then use the narrative that impeachment is helping Trump in battleground states.

I pay zero attention to polls.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. No, every poll is trending up for him, not just Ras
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 09:45 AM
Dec 2019

You can't blame a secular trend on a single poll. You know that.

FBaggins

(26,756 posts)
20. That might be why you're not doing well at it
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 10:02 AM
Dec 2019

You're getting tired.


they include Ratfuck-Mussen that has his "approval" number 5 to 9 percentage points higher than any other polls

They also included one with a -15 spread. Those two polls average about what the overall average says. Also - while Rassmussen clearly leans to the right in their results... they're also the only likely voter poll in the mix. And those tend to favor republicans in most cycles.

they still can't get his numbers above 43.5.

Which happens to be ten points higher than where he was just before the 2016 election.

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