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C Moon

(12,213 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 12:41 PM Dec 2019

Pelosi has confused them, and ruined their plans.

I was in a small market this morning (one I won't go back to because of their choice radio station blaring in the store—couldn't wait to get out of there), they had a right wing AM radio station on, and I couldn't help notice that the extreme right is screaming about Nancy not pushing the impeachment through to McConnell. They were even calling her "that freak."

If I were to guess, I would say the right had all their ducks in a row for what to do the day after the impeachment passed congress. Now they have rethink the whole thing—more phone calls to Putin. They'd probably been planning this for several months—and the part they hate most: now they have to wait for what Nancy Pelosi wants.

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Pelosi has confused them, and ruined their plans. (Original Post) C Moon Dec 2019 OP
And they're going to have to wait until January 7. Congress goes into recess MineralMan Dec 2019 #1
I didn't know that. Awesome! C Moon Dec 2019 #19
They want it over with. moondust Dec 2019 #2
LMAO @ "flush 15 times" - I see what you did there N/T VWolf Dec 2019 #13
And they have to go throught the holidays at home 2naSalit Dec 2019 #31
Meanwhile, Trump will keep getting antsy-er by DeminPennswoods Dec 2019 #3
Yeah. Merry fucking Xmas asshole LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #16
I suspect 2naSalit Dec 2019 #32
The Republicans should take their argument "through the court system". ooky Dec 2019 #4
Merry f'n Christmas treasonous repukes Marthe48 Dec 2019 #5
She holds all of the cards Johnny2X2X Dec 2019 #6
Mitch and Lindsey Eyeball_Kid Dec 2019 #34
The courts have no jurisdiction over impeachments StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #35
Yep. She sprung this on them and they didn't see it coming. StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #7
On DU this had been discussed BigmanPigman Dec 2019 #17
I've never seen this particular approach it StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #21
checkmate! bdamomma Dec 2019 #29
Wiser than anyone gives her credit for. 2naSalit Dec 2019 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #37
Seth Abramson, Laurence Tribe and several others have dewsgirl Dec 2019 #26
The fact that these three men have been discussing it doesn't mean that Pelosi's move StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #36
That's not what I meant, nor did I mean to take away from dewsgirl Dec 2019 #38
I see. I misunderstood you StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #39
...it happens. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #40
Exactly. BigmanPigman Dec 2019 #41
There is no way, they didn't think it was a possibility. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #43
He must be super mad at Lindsey BigmanPigman Dec 2019 #45
It's a beautiful thing to watch unfold...lol😆 dewsgirl Dec 2019 #47
Tribe had actually recently walked back his suggestion of delay being practical or possible wishstar Dec 2019 #42
There goes instant acquittal. Harker Dec 2019 #8
Some are saying that they will pass a resolution SlogginThroughIt Dec 2019 #9
How about Executive Action? world wide wally Dec 2019 #10
the repukes continue to fail via one basic principle, "never underestimate your opponent" Javaman Dec 2019 #11
I was thinking about it, and I'll bet McConnell is kicking himself for announcing his plans C Moon Dec 2019 #12
Petard, meet Hoist. OMGWTF Dec 2019 #15
:D C Moon Dec 2019 #18
Yep. I said the other day he screwed up when he went on FOX bragging about StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #22
Not sure Traildogbob Dec 2019 #23
and in the meantime bdamomma Dec 2019 #30
She's making the Republicans wear it like a dead albatross. hunter Dec 2019 #14
Good point, they only showed up with "Plan A" Perseus Dec 2019 #20
Absolutely delicious 😋 live love laugh Dec 2019 #24
Just a Boss. Doing Boss things. SKKY Dec 2019 #25
Triggered much, Trumpstains? C_U_L8R Dec 2019 #27
Everyone who has ever showed up for jury duty knows this. greymattermom Dec 2019 #28
Nah. Their plans are exactly the same as before fescuerescue Dec 2019 #44
God forbid a group of grumpy old men should have to wait for an littlemissmartypants Dec 2019 #46

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
1. And they're going to have to wait until January 7. Congress goes into recess
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:12 PM
Dec 2019

on Friday until after the holidays. Nothing will happen until Congress returns to DC.

Oh, the suspense!

moondust

(19,979 posts)
2. They want it over with.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:43 PM
Dec 2019

So they can scream "victory" and "total exoneration" and "perfect innocence" and dance and sing and flush 15 times and...and then get back to the business of undermining the national security and "dismantling the administrative state" and election rigging and counting their rubles and helping Pooty meddle and...and...and...

2naSalit

(86,579 posts)
31. And they have to go throught the holidays at home
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:04 AM
Dec 2019

WAITING!! And I hope that they are hounded by their constituents. Although I expect many to go offshore to avoid their constituents.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
16. Yeah. Merry fucking Xmas asshole
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:32 PM
Dec 2019

I predict on Christmas day, when all his most rabid followers are celebrating a deity that sacrificed himself, someone who preached love one another and turn the other cheek etc...we will get another rambling poor me tweet.

2naSalit

(86,579 posts)
32. I suspect
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:10 AM
Dec 2019

That may be an underlying part of the plan. When he has to wait, it totally frosts his buns. And when it's Mme. Speaker, it's almost too much for the child. She's just walking all over his grand scheme in ways he can't even fathom let alone predict.

I think that we will have a big surprise by Monday, I don't know whether it's good or bad but I feel something coming over the weekend. And I am certain it has something to do with IMPOTUS. I wonder if he'll have a health emergency or some kind of major disaster will take place. We have to watch out for wagging of the dog at this point too. A cornered rat will lunge out at you.




Marthe48

(16,949 posts)
5. Merry f'n Christmas treasonous repukes
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 02:02 PM
Dec 2019

From Shogun, by James Clavell, based on history: On October 21, in the mountains near Sekigahara Lord Toranaga defeated Lord Ishido. Some 40,000 heads were taken. Toranaga sent Ishido to Osaka where he was buried up to his neck. People passing by Ishido were invited to saw on the man's neck with a bamboo saw. Ishido died three days after he was buried. Lord Torinaga became the Shogun, appointed by the emperor.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
6. She holds all of the cards
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 02:35 PM
Dec 2019

She was probably timing this from the get go to at least wait until January to send it to the Senate, but Mitch's words gave her the ammo she needed to make serious demands. And the people are with her, 70% of the public wants to see a fair trial now.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
34. Mitch and Lindsey
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:01 AM
Dec 2019

should be sued to recuse themselves from participating in the Senate trial. They should be sued for perjury, since they MUST take an oath that guarantees their impartiality when they have already confessed that they will NOT be impartial. A civil suit may be the only recourse since Barr is the AG and will NEVER permit any action harmful to Trump.

Yeah, it sounds nutty because of the slow Court processes that would need to be set in motion, but there may be no legal alternative. A perjury allegation, without recusal, ought to be a headliner in the coming days.

McConnell and Graham really stepped in their own shit.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
17. On DU this had been discussed
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:35 PM
Dec 2019

as well as CNN and MSNBC pundits recommending this approach by the House. How could they have been caught by surprise since they are the "experts" when it comes to sneaky maneuvers? This should have been the first thing they expected. Geniuses Linsey and Mitch are not too clever and shrewd after all.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
21. I've never seen this particular approach it
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:45 PM
Dec 2019

The discussion has centered on Pelosi holding back the articles. But the tactic she's using - the appointment of the managers as the trigger - came out of left field and is brilliant.

Response to 2naSalit (Reply #33)

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
36. The fact that these three men have been discussing it doesn't mean that Pelosi's move
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:17 AM
Dec 2019

isn't brilliant. And you can bet this move has been mapped out for far longer than the last week.

First, while they "discussed" holding back the articles, none of them proposed any tactic for doing it. The tactic she's using is genius.

And second, don't assume that Pelosi's getting her ideas and strategies from various people talking about things in the internet and cable news. Just because she's not talking publicly doesn't mean she hasn't already thought of it and isn't miles ahead of the pundits and experts giving their opinions in the media.

In other words, the fact that you heard the idea from someone else before you heard it from her doesn't mean they gave the idea.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
38. That's not what I meant, nor did I mean to take away from
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:32 AM
Dec 2019

Nancy Pelosi. I meant it was being discussed in public, the GOP had to know it was a possibility.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
41. Exactly.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 04:39 PM
Dec 2019

Charlie Sykes, Prof. Tribe, John Dean, and more were on the cable news shows discussing it. That is how I heard of ot over a week ago and started to confider, then promoting the idea. If little ol' me knew, than why not the "super geniuses" Mitch and Lindsey? They probably knew it was a possibility but didn't think Pelosi would actually do it.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
43. There is no way, they didn't think it was a possibility.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:43 PM
Dec 2019

I agree, they didn't think she would do it. Also, I bet they didn't tell Trump. I'm sure it took him by surprise, he was counting on controlling the narrative by now and spinning this as a win somehow. Nancy Pelosi is brilliant, I look forward to her next moves.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
45. He must be super mad at Lindsey
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:54 PM
Dec 2019

since the moron wanted a big show on TV and Lindsey convinced him to go the other way and have a fast trial in the Senate with no witnesses, etc.

wishstar

(5,269 posts)
42. Tribe had actually recently walked back his suggestion of delay being practical or possible
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:21 PM
Dec 2019

I saw him on TV a few days before the impeachment where he said he no longer expected Congress to hold sending articles to Senate since Dems were acting expeditiously and Constitution states articles "shall be" sent to Senate.

However McConnell admitting working with WH and desire for quick acquittal with no witnesses and then Schulers' request for witnesses gave Pelosi the opening to hold off until she knows enough to appoint managers.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
9. Some are saying that they will pass a resolution
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:00 PM
Dec 2019

They will pass a resolution exonerating him. He will still have the impeachment but they will absolve him by resolution.

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
11. the repukes continue to fail via one basic principle, "never underestimate your opponent"
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:17 PM
Dec 2019

they grossly underestimate Pelosi because, as an all male dominated party who are used to repuke women cowtowing to their bullshit, they think this was going to be a walk in the park. "after all, she's just a woman" is their thinking.

fucking halfwits.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
12. I was thinking about it, and I'll bet McConnell is kicking himself for announcing his plans
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:21 PM
Dec 2019

to make a mockery of the impeachment in the senate.
If he would have stayed silent, things would be playing out differently.
I guess that whole jackass party is taking after their bone-headed leader, and spouting out whatever they want.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. Yep. I said the other day he screwed up when he went on FOX bragging about
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:47 PM
Dec 2019

what they would do. Just like she let Trump self-impeach, she let McConnell's mouth write a check his butt can't cash.

Traildogbob

(8,731 posts)
23. Not sure
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:48 PM
Dec 2019

He certainly let everyone know his plans a day after Obsma got elected. And saw zero consequences. Like tRump, he felt invincible for never being held accountable, i.e. Merrick Garland. Now let's continue to force accountability on all these traitorous assholes. Forgot were, but one country last week beheaded a high up for treason. Sounds reasonable. Not sure how to cut through all the Turltle necks.

bdamomma

(63,845 posts)
30. and in the meantime
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:59 AM
Dec 2019

more donations are needed for his opponent who is running against him Amy McGrath. Let him feel the heat.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
14. She's making the Republicans wear it like a dead albatross.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:26 PM
Dec 2019
Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the Albatross
About my neck was hung.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_%28metaphor%29

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
28. Everyone who has ever showed up for jury duty knows this.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:29 AM
Dec 2019

You can't be on the jury if you say the defendant is guilty before the trial starts.

littlemissmartypants

(22,652 posts)
46. God forbid a group of grumpy old men should have to wait for an
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:57 PM
Dec 2019
Intelligent, powerful woman to make a decision, about anything. It's too delicious for words, to see them squirm.



Go, go, go Madame Speaker!
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