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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 05:49 PM Dec 2019

Store closings: Who are the biggest victims of the retail apocalypse

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McClaughlin, 47, says she is left with plenty of questions about what happened to Payless – as well as the entire retail sector, which has been hit by 75,000 announced job losses from the start of 2019 through November, according to data from outplacement firm Challenger Gray & Christmas.

In her view, few policymakers focus on the job losses in the retail industry, which have an outsize impact on the female workers who sit behind cash registers and interact with customers in apparel stores such as Payless.

“Ninety percent of the time," the workers "were all women in my store,” McClaughlin says. “You lose your job after 20 years, and it’s like, ‘Who cares?’ ”

The bankrupt footwear retailer accounts for the largest number of store closings in 2019 with more than 2,500. Nationwide, more than 9,200 store closings were announced this year, 59% higher than in 2018, according to global marketing research firm Coresight Research.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/store-closings-biggest-victims-retail-050103815.html
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Store closings: Who are the biggest victims of the retail apocalypse (Original Post) redqueen Dec 2019 OP
K&R Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #1
A lot of the stores that closed are discount stores. It's also the CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #2
They discuss the role of private equity in these closures. redqueen Dec 2019 #5
We truly need $15/hour min wage for these employees. And that's just a start. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #6
You mean all the people laid off from retail jobs? redqueen Dec 2019 #7
I meant for those who are employed. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #9
WalMart pays $13 and will probably move up to $15 like Amazon did Recursion Dec 2019 #11
The mom and pops used to offer good pay and benefits OhioBlue Dec 2019 #12
Most of the ones I knew relied on unpaid family labor Recursion Dec 2019 #13
This is my experience too Johnny2X2X Dec 2019 #23
In miss our local hardware store LeftInTX Dec 2019 #15
Interesting Raftergirl Dec 2019 #19
And I thought all the Walton family spare change went to Republican candidates' campaign war chests. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #18
We also need to start regulating and policing hedge fund managers. Initech Dec 2019 #26
Anyone who benefits through the suffering of others should be stomped on like roaches. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #27
Oh fo sho! Initech Dec 2019 #29
I guess it's safe to assume you only go to full service gas stations and avoid self serve stations. Kaleva Dec 2019 #10
What's a "full-service" gas station? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2019 #16
They are around. Some states require them. Kaleva Dec 2019 #20
In Oregon you aren't even allowed to pump your own gas. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #22
I haven't driven in 2 years. And in 2017, I got to drive in Oct & Nov. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #17
Okay. Apologise for my attitude. Kaleva Dec 2019 #21
I was always about my freedom, which is why it was taken from me. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #24
female cashiers but the truckers, suppliers, maintenance, janitors, managers??? Demovictory9 Dec 2019 #3
They talk about this in the article. redqueen Dec 2019 #4
true but my Amazon, target, etc. delivery person is sometimes female Demovictory9 Dec 2019 #8
Nobody makes speeches about bringing back typing pool jobs or switchboard jobs Recursion Dec 2019 #14
Payless, Toys R Us, and Sears all got Bain'd. Initech Dec 2019 #25
Mitt happens. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #28

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
2. A lot of the stores that closed are discount stores. It's also the
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 06:17 PM
Dec 2019

consumers who are poor who bit the big one, not just employees.

WalMart has been predatory, going after the traditional "Mom and Pop" businesses that used to thrive. I avoid those greedy, anti-union bastards like the plague.

I also blame places like Amazon. People are too lazy to get off their asses and walk through an actual building. The original post is right about demographics, but overall it's the loss of local jobs for all genders that have left smaller communities reeling. Where are people supposed to work--if not locally? If you have no car or an unreliable one, you will have a much harder time getting employment. And you're just supposed to find an Amazon warehouse in all communities like you would a store?

A lot of this started with Mitt and Bain Capital and has gotten worse. Romney's another greedy bastard (who eliminated KayBee Toys and then wanted to take Sesame Street off the air as president). Yeah, he's thinking about the children all right. Luckily, his choice for Veep was as big an ass as he was.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
5. They discuss the role of private equity in these closures.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 06:25 PM
Dec 2019

Something needs to be done they are walmartizing all of retail. There will be high end for the rich, and Walmart and dollar general for the rest of us.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
6. We truly need $15/hour min wage for these employees. And that's just a start.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 06:42 PM
Dec 2019

I don't recognize this country anymore.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
7. You mean all the people laid off from retail jobs?
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 06:44 PM
Dec 2019

They aren't employees anymore.

I doubt they'll find jobs paying as much as they were making before. That seems to be the trend.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. WalMart pays $13 and will probably move up to $15 like Amazon did
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:57 PM
Dec 2019

I know we mythologized mom & pop stores but it's not like they offered good pay or benefits, you know? WalMart is at least making their wages increase rather than paying people as little as legally possible like family stores tend to.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
12. The mom and pops used to offer good pay and benefits
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 12:45 AM
Dec 2019

and some still do for higher level employees. I worked at a local mom and pop hardware store in College in the early 90s. As a seasonal employee, I made slightly over minimum wage and no benefits, of course. However, the regular, full-time employees all had health insurance and retirement and competitive wages with annual reviews and raises. One of the owners talked to me about the difficulty in competing with Wal Mart that at the time could sell a toaster cheaper than the hardware store could purchase it because Wal Mart forced their supplier to outsource and forgo quality for price. Wal Mart had a business model in which they forced their suppliers to make cheaper products with shorter life spans and encouraged outsourcing.

Mom and pops are also closer to their employees. They know them, know their families and care about them. They live in the communities they serve and donate to local causes, sponsor youth sports, etc.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Most of the ones I knew relied on unpaid family labor
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:52 AM
Dec 2019

And paid minimum wage to everybody else. Small businesses are usually awful to work for.

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
23. This is my experience too
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:32 AM
Dec 2019

The Romanticization of Small Businesses is a long tradition. At one time, small businesses provided good jobs, that era is long gone though.

Most (Not all) small business owners are greedy and pay less than larger companies. There's an attitude among many small business owners that they get to be a millionaire for owning a small business. I've seen so many small business owners that live in beautiful lake houses with 6 stall garages while they pay their workers starvation wages with almost no benefits.

A living minimum wage is needed. The exploitation of labor even at a local level is out of control in this country. The scales need to be evened.

LeftInTX

(25,545 posts)
15. In miss our local hardware store
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 04:02 AM
Dec 2019

I live in a city of 1.4 million people. I do not believe that we have any hardware stores left.

I would think they could keep at least one open. We have a pest supply warehouse. It's a very small mom and pop business. It consists of a 500 foot sales area and a garage size storage unit. It's the only pest supply in town and I drive 30 miles and back because they carry professional products that I can't buy anywhere else. If there was one hardware in town, I think they would do good business.

Raftergirl

(1,292 posts)
19. Interesting
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:25 AM
Dec 2019

I live in a suburb of about 28k people. We have a Lowe’s and a Walmart - but we also have 2 independent hardware stores. They have been here since I moved here 29 years ago. Parking lots are always filled when I go there.

We also have a lovely town center with an independent coffee shop, independent book store, several restaurants, an independent grocery store, gift shops, etc. Less than a mile from the town center down the same road we have Dunkin Donuts and other chain stores/restaurants but also many independents stores and restaurants.



CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
18. And I thought all the Walton family spare change went to Republican candidates' campaign war chests.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:09 AM
Dec 2019

That kinda explains their failures in 2018, doesn't it? They trickled-down a little more than in the past.

I still won't go there. I'm a Target guy (since losing local KMarts and ALL Shopkos). Target was owned by a Democrat, Mark Dayton. That's where my loyalty is.

Initech

(100,100 posts)
26. We also need to start regulating and policing hedge fund managers.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:45 AM
Dec 2019

They're largely responsible for a good majority of the retail apocalypse in the last few years.

Kaleva

(36,340 posts)
10. I guess it's safe to assume you only go to full service gas stations and avoid self serve stations.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:46 PM
Dec 2019

Wouldn't want some to accuse you of costing other people their jobs.

Kaleva

(36,340 posts)
20. They are around. Some states require them.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:45 AM
Dec 2019

I live in rural Michigan and there's a full service station about 45 miles from me. Even though gas is more expensive, it's popular enough with elderly and some disabled to stay in business.

I get a kick out of folks who bitch about others shopping at Amazon or Walmart when they themselves don't want to spend extra to support local jobs or businesses. there's a word that describes such people very well.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
22. In Oregon you aren't even allowed to pump your own gas.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:30 AM
Dec 2019

Still remember getting yelled at for getting out of my car and heading to the pump.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
17. I haven't driven in 2 years. And in 2017, I got to drive in Oct & Nov.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:57 AM
Dec 2019

Before those 2 months, it had been 4 years since I had driven.

Too many health scares, multiple surgeries, and 1 leg amp. I'll get out there again later this new year after months of P/T and a newer user-friendly prosthetic.

I'm concerned about jobs because I was laid off in 2009 with hordes of others and then got deathly ill. I'm not done though. After I'm driving, I'll be doing more work again. So it's not about me being a dinosaur. I care about people.

Kaleva

(36,340 posts)
21. Okay. Apologise for my attitude.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:24 AM
Dec 2019

I'm disabled too and driving to town, it's a 90 mile round trip, and walking around stores can do a number on me. Shopping on line is a blessing.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
24. I was always about my freedom, which is why it was taken from me.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:37 AM
Dec 2019

No need to apologize. On this site, we exchange ideas--sometimes conflicting--but in a mostly friendly way. I was recently schooled by MarbleFalls for being too flippant on a very serious topic. He and I worked it out. You and I are good.

Let's have a happy and healthy new year.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
4. They talk about this in the article.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 06:24 PM
Dec 2019

Retail is still creating jobs for warehouse and delivery positions, primarily male dominated roles.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. Nobody makes speeches about bringing back typing pool jobs or switchboard jobs
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:54 AM
Dec 2019

The gendered aspect of what labor we think is "good" is considerable

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