Groundbreaking South Carolina Bill: Compensate People for Forcing Them to Give Birth

[TexasBushwhacker]

https://rewire.news/ablc/2019/12/13/groundbreaking-south-carolina-bill-compensate-people-for-forcing-them-to-give-birth/


Dec 13, 2019, 11:41am Imani Gandy

The pre-filed bill would force a conversation in South Carolina—and hopefully nationwide—about whether anti-choice lawmakers who fancy themselves “pro-life” are actually that.

If South Carolina lawmakers are going to ban abortion after six weeks’ gestation and force every pregnant person to carry their pregnancy to term, the state should damn well pay for the costs associated with giving birth to and raising that child.

That’s the premise behind a bill called the South Carolina Pro Birth Accountability Act that state Sen. Mia McLeod pre-filed Wednesday, and boy howdy!—it is a barn burner.

The bill, SB 928, demands that anti-choice lawmakers in South Carolina who have proposed banning abortion at six weeks into pregnancy put their money where their mouth is: If lawmakers are going to force people to carry their pregnancies to term, and if they are going to deem the development of an unborn embryo as more important than the life and rights of pregnant people, then South Carolina should compensate them for acting as a gestational surrogate for the state of South Carolina.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. GREAT start, and does not go NEAR far enough.

Just gives them automatic access to existing programs that are designed to barely keep you out of poverty.

If I was writing the bill you would get that and a child support check of $2000 a month, altered with inflation, till the child is 18.

Wait, I ddint read it all

there IS more

If the pregnant person becomes disabled as the result of carrying the fetus to term, then the state must cover all medical expenses associated with the disability. Similarly, if the child is born with a congenital abnormality or disability, the state must cover all medical expenses associated with that disability for the rest of the child’s life.

Also, South Carolina would be required to cover all costs associated with health, dental, and vision insurance until the child turns 18. And if the biological father of the child is unknown or unable to provide support, then the state must provide child support in the biological father’s stead.

I KNOW!

And then the grand finale: South Carolina must fully fund a college savings plan for the benefit of the child.

[demtenjeep]

2. Man, if I were years younger

I would move to SC to get these benefits !!!


I love it and hope bills like this become the norm

[crickets]

6. Outstanding! *wild applause* K&R!

[angstlessk]

3. All I can say is brilliant.

This should be an amendment to every 'pro-life' legislature submitted

[RainCaster]

4. They need to include 18+ years of costs for each birth

Pay up!

[Mersky]

5. Whoa. That's brilliant. nt

[Tumbulu]

7. Finally- I've been saying this for decades!

Let all these so called “pro-life” people put their money where their mouths are.

Pay up for this demand of forced production of a child and the forced parenting that comes after ward.

[TexasBushwhacker]

12. Especially since the number one reason

that the number one reason women give for having an abortion is lack of finances.

[wendyb-NC]

8. What a wonderful idea!

[roamer65]

9. Excellent move!

[smirkymonkey]

10. Hear, hear!

That is something that I would like to see passed!

[Thomas Hurt]

11. the right isn't pro life, they are pro fetus. The conservative whining over this will be glorious

[usaf-vet]

16. I have been saying this for years. If you force a women to have a baby. Then ante up.

Starting on day one pay all expenses for the child and mother for the first two years.

So the mom can be a stay at home mom and bond with the child.

Then from two until HS graduation ALL expenses including healthcare, food, clothing, recreational budget.

After HS graduation the state will continue to pay for a 4-year degree at a college or tech school.

Then the state shall pay until either the child (adult) gets a full-time job or reaches the age of 25.

The short version full financial responsibility from birth until age 25.

I would add this to your title. "the right isn't pro-life, they are pro-fetus" and the right uses the anti-abortion meme to get conservative voters to turn out to vote year after year.

Without God, Gays, Guns and anti-abortion issues on ballots, the voter numbers would be significantly lower. IMHO

[mgardener]

23. Why shouldn't all mothers

And children receive the same compensation?

[usaf-vet]

24. I would support that in a NY minute. But the issue we were addressing was forced to term pregnancy.

Why shouldn't all mothers have my suggest benefits? They should if our priorities were in the right balance. Other countries have managed to provide citizens with lots of family health and welfare benefits. From birth to grave benefits.

[demigoddess]

28. what about the babies who have birth defects that will cause pain

and need doctors care? they should pay for forcing those births also. I happen to know there is little care for babies who are born retarded and live long lives. So many people just think they disappear, but they do not. Some survive their parents and there is not much care out there for those people.

[usaf-vet]

31. This is a somewhat tough question to answer.

First, let me say that if a person is willing to believe that every pregnancy is an act of God a gift from God.

Then those that believe that HAVE to accept the fact the disabled babies are also an act of God.

Never mind (in my reasoning) that the behavior of the mother and father should be the "reason" for this pregnancy IF we are to believe it's an act and gift from GOD. It must cut both ways.

So to understand that, how do we explain the abandonment of any child or for that matter an elderly parent or grandparent. Is that not also an act of God.

Is God that selective with his/her acts and gifts?

Tough questions for me.

But in closing, we have several children both biological and adoptive disabled.

Finally, yes our government should do more with care and far less with waging war.
Just so I don't get harangued over the "waging war".
Three generations in my family have served. WW I, WW II, Vietnam. Army, Navy, USAF.

[demigoddess]

44. armybrat, af brat, af wife here. i have a handicapped child

when she was newborn, the dr asks, was your husband exposed to Agent Orange? I have seen so many babies born with problems because of wars and the stuff they use to wage it. But most of all what do we do when these children outlive their parents? Right now we are facing that problem when our 'normal' children declined to step up and see to their sibling. What about people who have no relatives to help out, no money coming in, no programs in schools? Why outlaw abortion when society will not step up????????????

[usaf-vet]

46. I completely understand your position. I have to take comfort in knowing we did what we could.

In our case, we did outlive the most handicap child who past away quietly in his sleep at an age twice what the experts predicted. By the way, it is very likely that he was the child of an Agent Orange Vietnam veteran.

[klook]

21. Pro-fetus and anti-woman

They don’t want women getting all uppity and having careers and independent lives and such.

[tblue37]

26. And anti-woman. nt

[not_the_one]

13. If you want a quick turn around in legislation, drag the fathers into the picture...

believe me, they would be kicking and screaming while the dragging was happening.

It is a badge of shame and humiliation for a male to be a virgin. (Not so for women.) But it is mostly MEN who are pushing these ridiculous infringements on women's sex lives.

If they are going to be serious about this, every birth should require the name of the father. If there is a question of who the father is, then every possible sperm donor must be identified. DNA tests must then ascertain who the actual father is. If it is a family member, jail, regardless of age.

With the DNA test being required for every birth, the father must be held 50% responsible, both financially and emotionally, for a minimum of 18 years (if the child survives that long), if not longer.

That step, alone, should deal with the issue. Men MUST have sex. (You can't beat biology.) Make them think they can't, and they will start voting accordingly.

If it doesn't, then take the next step and REALLY put the government in everyone's bedroom, and start dictating who, when and how any two parents can have sex, assuming that EVERY time they have sex it is for the express purpose of bringing a child into this world, or it is a wonderful, and fully embraced, by-product of the sex act.

Then top it off with ALL sex outside of a husband/wife relationship, made illegal. EVERYONE has cell phones. Offer rewards for anyone who can provide proof of marital/sexual infidelities. Turn all their friends and co-workers into snitches.

These assholes want us all to think that sex is a right that goes with marriage. (In other words, men want someone they can control, and force to have sex at any time.) No one else should be having sex.

But this IS all about sex, and the right of a woman to control her own body.

They neglect to address that 99.99% of sex acts (my calculation, no stats) are recreational, with the result of a child being the LAST thing either of the two parties are thinking about. Those will just no longer happen.

The REAL answer is to get rid of religion, teach young people about the realities of sex, and the issues surrounding it.

Sex is healthy. People who have sex are healthier. Societies that have healthy sexual attitudes are better societies.

Again, my opinion, no stats...

Of course the best argument of all is that those pushing these draconian laws are trying to turn all males into homosexuals.

After all, as mentioned above, MEN MUST HAVE SEX!!! If they don't have access to the "fairer sex" (a totally sexist term, if there ever was one...), they will turn to their own male friends for release.

After all, where do you think the term FUCK BUDDY came from???

(Not that there is a single thing wrong with having a fuck buddy... After all, it IS a Friend With Benefits...!)

[demigoddess]

29. amen.

[PatrickforO]

14. Sounds good to me.

Really good. I guess they will have to put their money where their mouths are and maybe close their bibles and get to actually know people.

[no_hypocrisy]

15. I'd like to see each baby registered as a Democrat at birth.

Choice can be offered at age 18.

[StarfishSaver]

17. I've always thought that, in forced birth situations, the woman should have "right of first refusal"

If she is forced to give birth to a child she does not want to raise, she should have the right to refuse motherhood and the father will be required by law to raise the child himself.

After all, under current law, fathers essentially have the right of first refusal and the mother is given full responsibility. The only thing the father is required to do is pay child support, but he is not legally obligated to be a father.

Let's level that playing field and give women that same right.

[xxqqqzme]

18. Can't you hear the

forced birthers screaming 'then every woman will want to have a child to get these benefits'. OMG, what a concept!

[Blima]

19. Crazy

What's wrong with these people?

[pandr32]

20. Oooooh, I like this!

[Shoonra]

22. "Every pregnant person"?!

I like the choice of words - "every pregnant person". I will risk that it makes more sense to say "every pregnant woman". If the men running the South Carolina legislature could get pregnant, abortions would be available and subsidized in every town and legal for at least the first fifty weeks.

[DeminPennswoods]

25. Higher taxes vs no abortions

I wonder which one will win in South Carolina? My money's on the taxophobes.

[Newest Reality]

27. I am very impressed by this strategy!

You know, there are brilliant strategies just waiting to be utilized. This is a great example of outsmarting the opponent.

We really could use more of that. It is inspirational and pragmatic.

I certainly support that bill since it directly addresses that pesky problem of fetish fetishism that suddenly fades away into oblivion upon parturition, finally!!!!!

[marybourg]

30. I proposed that in N.M. thirty years ago,

but the abortion rights organization in the state scoffed at it and refused to back me. Without their backing I didn’t feel I could take it further. Glad to see S.C. might have a shot at it.

[paleotn]

32. I like it!

[Beartracks]

33. Makes sense to me.

[moondust]

34. Yeah.

Let's say...25 years of all expenses paid including up to 4 years of college.

[bucolic_frolic]

35. Yes! This closes the loop on the issue where consequences have been ignored for decades

Quality of life is very important for children obviously. All the pro-lifers care about is the consumers forced-birth produce. They don't want to pay a nickel, it's all your problem.

[Miigwech]

36. I agree, forced birth needs to have financial consequences

applied to those forcing such an abomination on women and their families.

[cstanleytech]

37. I 100% agree with putting supposed pro-life supporters in the spot

of having to put their money where their fucking hypocritical mouths are.

[Wounded Bear]

38. I approve this message...

[BlancheSplanchnik]

39. 👏🏾👏🏿👏

[Hermit-The-Prog]

40. it's eminent domain ...

If a government is going to usurp private property, in this case a woman's control over her own body, then it must give just compensation for that property's use.

Women should not be forced to become governmental incubators. Slavery is supposed to be illegal in this country.

[erronis]

41. I bet the bigshot high-paid lawyers in Alec and Fedsoc are working their nubbins to the bone

to come up with a counterpoint.

Of course, at $500+/hour, it's rough work.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

42. kick -- in case some haven't seen it

[WhiskeyGrinder]

43. Ugh, no, why even entertain the premise?

[LiberalFighter]

45. Personally, I think the people and groups that self-identify as pro-life should pay it.