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CousinIT

(9,257 posts)
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:37 PM Dec 2019

Political historian says GOP has "become a monarchist party" and "Trump is their king"

https://www.newsweek.com/historian-jon-meacham-republican-party-monarchist-trump-king-1477116

A historian has accused the GOP of becoming a "monarchist party" viewing President Donald Trump as it's king whether he's right or wrong.

Jon Meacham, the author of several presidential biographies, told MSNBC on Thursday that Republicans were "following a man" rather than the Constitution, and were willing to do so "whatever the facts may be."

He also contrasted Republicans standing by President Trump through the impeachment inquiry with the aims of politicians in the founding era, saying such behavior was "precisely what we were fighting against."

His comments came as Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee proposed several amendments to the drafted articles of impeachment charging Trump with abuse of power and obstruction.

The failed attempts to amend the articles as they were debated by the Democratic-controlled panel included one amendment that would have removed the obstruction of Congress article, while another would have added "Hunter Biden" and "Burisma" into the text of the articles.

Speaking to the MSNBC show Andrea Mitchell Reports, Meacham said: "The Republicans have basically become a monarchist party. Trump is their king, and their king right or wrong.
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Political historian says GOP has "become a monarchist party" and "Trump is their king" (Original Post) CousinIT Dec 2019 OP
In a word, yep. dchill Dec 2019 #1
Conservatism has its foundations in monarchy. Thomas Hurt Dec 2019 #2
I'm surprised they haven't overthrown trump themselves calimary Dec 2019 #29
Where to from here? cilla4progress Dec 2019 #3
You don't even want to go there.....N/T DENVERPOPS Dec 2019 #15
Pitchforks! Fritz Walter Dec 2019 #23
"Following a man rather than the Constitution" renate Dec 2019 #4
That's a reasonable assessment Newest Reality Dec 2019 #5
I also feel that the RETHUGS somehow are thinking bluestarone Dec 2019 #6
You most assuredly do know DENVERPOPS Dec 2019 #16
I wish Meacham had his own show somewhere like PBS... MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #7
+1 MFGsunny Dec 2019 #24
So do I. We need folks like him. riversedge Dec 2019 #28
Il Douche C_U_L8R Dec 2019 #8
That's how I like to refer to him geardaddy Dec 2019 #20
That one's good, too. calimary Dec 2019 #30
Unitary.... magicarpet Dec 2019 #9
Its A Cult Actually DanieRains Dec 2019 #10
Roger Copy... and the KGOP are False Prophets! MartyTheGreek Dec 2019 #18
It's worse than a cult Poiuyt Dec 2019 #22
They're also afraid of Trump's vengeful, alt-fascist followers... VOX Dec 2019 #25
Agree. moondust Dec 2019 #11
Economic royalists, too, to revive FDR's term... JHB Dec 2019 #12
They've been trying since Reagan FiveGoodMen Dec 2019 #13
Conclusion, rePuticans are whipped and spineless. ffr Dec 2019 #14
Trump is not acting like a king - he's acting worse. Jim__ Dec 2019 #17
Hair Furor and the Russiapublicans are united against democracy. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #19
They need to be excoriated. K&R BootinUp Dec 2019 #21
The republicans were the easiest to corrupt and have them compromised duforsure Dec 2019 #26
They've gotten this way since 2000 and Ilsa Dec 2019 #27
The GOP desires a pre-Enlightenment fascist theocracy run by and for white men. Seriously. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #32

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
2. Conservatism has its foundations in monarchy.
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:40 PM
Dec 2019

Though I would characterize what the American right wants as a christofascist theocracy.

calimary

(81,500 posts)
29. I'm surprised they haven't overthrown trump themselves
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 12:44 AM
Dec 2019

so they could anoint Mike Pence as the real “Chosen One”.

Fritz Walter

(4,292 posts)
23. Pitchforks!
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 04:43 PM
Dec 2019

My question: should I keep the tines sharp and clean, for easier penetration? Or is it better when they’re dull and covered with microorganisms?

And in case anyone asks, I use my pitchfork to stir up my compost container.

renate

(13,776 posts)
4. "Following a man rather than the Constitution"
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:41 PM
Dec 2019

This seems like a wonderfully pointed and succinct way for Democrats to describe what is going on. It’s applicable to the Trump-as-dictator argument, the party-before-country argument, and the we-are-a-nation-of-laws argument.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
5. That's a reasonable assessment
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:42 PM
Dec 2019

Although I prefer authoritarian tin pot dictator and the consequent ushering in of theocratic elements in order to enforce it and maintain an oligarchical, Fascist dystopia.

bluestarone

(17,043 posts)
6. I also feel that the RETHUGS somehow are thinking
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:43 PM
Dec 2019

The 2020 election is a slam dunk for them! Why are they so sure? I don't know.

DENVERPOPS

(8,845 posts)
16. You most assuredly do know
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 03:43 PM
Dec 2019

if you witnessed the 2000 and 2004 election.........And they were nowhere rigged as much as the Putin/Trump 2020 upcoming election...

WASF

magicarpet

(14,175 posts)
9. Unitary....
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:54 PM
Dec 2019

But less like a monarch and more like a Fascist Third World Banana Republic Dictator.

Give this White Trash authoritarian dictator his second and (maybe ?) final term and he will install his permanent Fascist Military Junta. So drastically revamp Democracy -there will be no turning back.

He will normalize the all powerful unitary executive dictator - establish precedent that future presidents will be subject to very limited or no over sight by any branch of government, especially if the GOP is in power.

MartyTheGreek

(567 posts)
18. Roger Copy... and the KGOP are False Prophets!
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 04:00 PM
Dec 2019

I'm good with the cultist theory. To break the spell of a cultist, somehow we need to introduce a better truth. For these followers, it needs to be a bigger truth. We don't care what it is, but a truth even a stepping stone that carries them away from the fact that many knew all along that they were wrong to start with. They knew it in their hearts, but they will atone. This is a wake up call for many. Even some of my magas are liking my liberal cartoons. Hey, you gotta start somewhere!

Poiuyt

(18,130 posts)
22. It's worse than a cult
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 04:43 PM
Dec 2019

His base is the cult, but members of Congress are afraid of him. I doubt that all republicans in Congress think he’s a god-like creature, though I’m sure some of them do. The rest are just too afraid to defy him, even if it’s to the detriment of the country.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
25. They're also afraid of Trump's vengeful, alt-fascist followers...
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 05:04 PM
Dec 2019

Who target “dissenters” to their king. These “true believers” threaten to do this-or-that online.

A fellow DUer recently posted screen caps of a now-deleted Twitter account that threatened the lives of any *Republican* Trump dissenters.

Can’t muster much sympathy, though. These potential “victims” built their own Godzilla over the years, and now that it’s destroying Tokyo (metaphorically, of course), they’re upset, so they bow to their divinely-appointed monarch.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
11. Agree.
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:58 PM
Dec 2019

The "economic royalists" that FDR warned about.

From the Roosevelt Institute:

~
...it is useful to recall that what the South was attempting to establish when it seceded to form the confederacy was a state based on racism and the establishment of a permanent economic elite.
~
http://rooseveltinstitute.org/rise-and-fall-our-economic-royalists/

Jim__

(14,083 posts)
17. Trump is not acting like a king - he's acting worse.
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 03:48 PM
Dec 2019

I was reading something recently - I can't remember where. But it said that a king will never deliberately diminish the status of his kingdom because that diminishes the status of the king. Trump is diminishing the status of the United States and all he cares about is himself. He doesn't recognize any connection between the status of the US and his own status. An American king would not have the contempt for the US that Trump has.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,430 posts)
19. Hair Furor and the Russiapublicans are united against democracy.
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 04:04 PM
Dec 2019

They seek an oligarchy just like Putin's.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
26. The republicans were the easiest to corrupt and have them compromised
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 05:26 PM
Dec 2019

And was probably why putin had trump run as a republican. Putin caught them and had trump deep in debt to them. Both very compromised.

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