The lesson is that third way is fuckery

[malaise]

If you won't stand up for the social good of all then folks may as well vote for their worst instincts - racist nationalism.

[Bettie]

1. That was what I thought the message was as well

good to know I'm not alone in that thought.

[uponit7771]

2. You talking about the UK? I'm not as informed on that election ... looks like the right in the UK

... sucked up a bunch of votes.

Why would UK Labor proffer such an asshole of a candidate ?!

[polichick]

3. It's so disturbing how fear and brainwashing keep the cycle going...

People are too fearful to vote for what is needed, and then they get angry that what they voted for doesn’t work for them - and on and on and on.

[malaise]

4. Many of our social democratic parties have deferred

to business and the billionaires and helped destroy the unions and permanent employment. When folks finally wake up the neo-liberals will be wiped out.

[polichick]

5. Sadly, one hard lesson I've had to learn is that...

most people on earth are easily manipulated and brainwashed followers - I want to go to a different planet in my next life. lol

[malaise]

6. You too

Ha - I'd love to jump off this one right now

[polichick]

8. ...

[TheBlackAdder]

13. I would get rained hell on, mentioning that Third-Way was a GOP operation to water down Dem policies

.

Sure, as more Dems joined the group, it became a Democratic variant, but it's early inception was partly a Koch initiative to drag democrats to the 50 yard line. So even under the best of situation, Democrats only get "pragmatic" results, while most of the negotiations ended up favoring conservatives.

Pragmatism is a bullshit concept. It ONLY works when all parties are pragmatic and willing to compromise. Republicans are locked in extremist positions, and since Democrats are more reasonable, they are the ones who often negotiate in good faith, and this puts us in a disadvantage.

.

[malaise]

14. Great post

Same shit everywhere for way too many decades - this may turn out for the best - more people will be pissed off sooner. :h:

[brooklynite]

15. You would be wrong...

It may have been intended to "drag Democrats to the 50 Yard Line", but only because that where the votes were. That, you may recall, is where Clinton won after three wipeouts in 1980, 1984 and 1988.

[leftstreet]

21. Clinton won because of Ross Perot. n/t

[tritsofme]

28. That's a GOP myth

Exit polls said that Perot voters would have split fairly evenly between Bush and Clinton, not enough to change the outcome.

[TheBlackAdder]

24. No I'm not. Third-Way is where most of the older Goldwater Democrats & Blue Dogs migrated.

[brooklynite]

25. Those would be the Blue Dogs that won us the House last year?

[TheBlackAdder]

26. Fail.

[LanternWaste]

27. After this, therefor because of this, eh?

There's a Latin phrase that comes to mind....

[OhNo-Really]

29. Remember Mark Penn? I do

I’ll let you find out where he is working now

I did a huge Muckety Map (now off line) on 3rd Way and was deeply disheartened by links

[Johonny]

31. That's the narrative at least

But so far people have had few options but lite-neo liberalism, and heavy neo-liberalism. In too few places or the national level is there often even a choice of something else.

[malaise]

32. That is a profound point

because people opposed to neo-liberalism were slaughtered in several countries.

[brooklynite]

9. "You're too stupid to vote for the right candidate!"...Always a winning message

[polichick]

10. "stupid" isn't in my post.

[brooklynite]

11. "Fear and Brainwashing" comes pretty close...

[polichick]

12. Not at all. Think again.

[brooklynite]

7. What does any of this have to do with Third Way?

I'll tell you that I met with them earlier this year, and the raised the point that picking a hard left candidate as opposed to someone in the mainstream was a risky proposition. But I suppose we'll never know....

[Dem4Life1102]

16. Wow! You really missed the point

Get out of your bubble and recognize reality.

[leftstreet]

17. What was the point? n/t

[Dem4Life1102]

18. If I have to tell you

you won't get it.

[radius777]

19. PoC don't vote for racist nationalism,

wonder why that is.

The lesson is when the white working class isn't prioritized in Western politics they tend to throw a populist tantrum.

[malaise]

20. And they are the majority who turned against Labour

fit that bill

[radius777]

22. My point is that despite being the most disprivileged PoC

don't turn to hateful politics, but attempt to work methodically through establishment parties... while whites having always been privileged/prioritized (and fearing a loss of that status) increasingly do the opposite.

[malaise]

23. You are correct

[guillaumeb]

30. But "the far left", Malaise.

And creeping socialism. We cannot anger the rich or they will not give us non-living wage jobs.

[malaise]

33. Correct is right