PA dairy farmer says that Trump is "sort of back-stabbing the main people who got him into office"

[Miles Archer]

In the clip, introduced by “New Day” host John Berman, correspondent Vanessa Yurkevich began, “Farmers have had a tough couple of years between bad weather and this trade war that has persisted. Nationally, farm bankruptcies are up 20 percent in just the last year and, here, dairy farms in Pennsylvania are dwindling. We spoke to some farmers who supported the president but say they’re rethinking their vote for 2020.”

Introducing dairy owner Bill Boyd of Mount Bethel, she asked, “Is the dairy business profitable?”

“Just like everything else in agriculture right now, barely profitable,” he replied.

“I think he’s sort of back-stabbing the main people who got him into office in the Midwest, all those midwest states helped to vote him in and also Pennsylvania,” Boyd explained. “He just left us out.”

Despite that, when asked if he would vote for Trump in 2020, Boyd conceded, “Unless they come up with a better alternative, I’m going to vote for him again.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/trump-voting-farmer-pounds-president-on-cnn-over-his-back-stabbing-tariffs-he-just-left-us-out/

[dewsgirl]

1. Not sort of, he is back stabbing them.

[Perseus]

42. I am glad I read your post, I was about to say the same exact thing.

Unbelievable these people don't come to a solid conclusion, they always leave that little doubt in the air "sort of"...

[dewsgirl]

44. I know, it makes me crazy.🙄

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

50. My first thought also.

People like him just weren't paying attention when they voted for Trump. And frankly, they deserve what's happened to them since. Too bad the rest of us also have to suffer.

[dewsgirl]

52. +1000

[greatauntoftriplets]

51. He's also twisting the knife. Repeatedly.

[StClone]

68. From the bowels of the worst of NY

Under Fred Trump's tutelage, then honing his skills in the uber urban environment of NY, with the help of the Mafia, Trump has learned to con these rustic bumpkins with ease. Entrapping them with Patriarchy, tough-guy-ism, On-your-side-ittude, authoritarianism, then put it in black and white frames, these dupes fall all over themselves to drink the Trump Cult brew.

[BlueMTexpat]

60. +1! eom

[Midnight Writer]

61. He's front stabbing them, in broad daylight, with cameras rolling, and they will ask for more.

[dewsgirl]

63. It is beyond ridiculous.

[Cousin Dupree]

2. His farm is barely profitable. He feels left out. And he's going to vote for trump again.

These people are hopeless.

[getagrip_already]

33. Crocodile tears in many cases...

These guys stand there in faded work clothes and give the impression theh are a small family farm struggling.

Bs. Those farms are long gone. I worked on one in the 70s. 60 cows and 150 acres in upstate ny. That farm, and almost every other one its size either became subdivisions or were picked up at auction by megafarms.

Sure, there are some boutique or gentleman farmer farms out there, but the norm now is thousands of heads on a factory farm.

These guys are multi millionares. They made winfalls with the tax cuts and estate tax changes.

Struggling to them is only making millions.

Small farms are still giants. That is why this guy is voting for trump.

[Kali]

48. while yes that is the trend, your conclusion is not accurate

lots of single family farms out there still, and struggling to hang on. even the bigger ones have been screwed by dumps trade war. what makes many of them "millionaires" is the land base. they are NOT rich. they wont ever see that cash unless they sell out, either to developers or the mega farms.

[getagrip_already]

55. Single family farm is meaningless....

You could say Dell is a single family business once theh went private. Sure a lot of creditors, but one owner.

So single family farms can actually be quite large.

Sure, they have debt, but they arent small.

And yes, many of the large but not super large farms are struggling. Some may even decide to sell out.

But the number of truly small family farms is very small and rapidly shrinking. And that has little to do with trump, but he isnt helping any.

[Kali]

62. that's true

and so is my neighbor's small 100 pair operation being called a corporation because that is how he organized his business. hard to define what is small, but for me it means an operation that is the primary income for a family, usually supplemented with one or more off-farm jobs but not in the realm of a hobby.

[getagrip_already]

67. I was focussing more on dairy farms

These are 24x7x365 operations. Cows need to be milked and fed twice a day. Every day. At any given point, some will be sick or ill. Calves are born frequently. Manure needs to hauled. Feed needs to be hauled. Crops need to be grown and harvested for winter.

Costs are high and margins are paper thin. The only answer is volume, but small farms are limited.

That means no holidays or vacations unless you have someone you trust. Once your kids move on, it quickly falls apart.

Small farms with only a husband and wife are not sustainable. And so farms with less than 1000 heads are few and usually focus on organic markets or cheese. But markets are limited, so it isnt an answer for all.

Grain farmers at least have an off season. Automation helps them. Not so much for dairy farmers.

[JDC]

3. But..."I'm going to vote for him again"

All of these stories have the same ending.

If these folks don't see that a blown out flip flop would make a better president than *45, they are a lost cause. I'm done with thinking there are cracks in that glass. They are just stupid, and it can't be fixed or reasoned with. GOTV is the only answer.

[gratuitous]

16. Uh huh

I had a friend post on Facebook some nonsense about how some people are feeling marginalized and left out, and condemning progressive elites for mocking them, talking down to them, and steamrolling them. He then went on about some minor faults of conservatives, and concluded with how we all need to come together.

After leaving the post alone (why go looking for trouble), the post kept jumping up my feed because people were complimenting him on his noble "can't we all just get along" sentiment. I finally responded that I'd like some clarification of who he thinks are progressive elites and could he favor us with some examples of those elites treating marginalized people badly. He manfully turtled and declined to explain himself further, saying he didn't want people squaring off.

This guy is an example of someone, I'm confident, he would cite as being mocked or steamrolled by progressive elites. In spite of everything that's gone wrong for him personally, Bill Boyd is going to vote for Trump again. This just goes beyond parody; my friend wants peace, love and understanding for people like Boyd.

I hid my friend's post.

[redstatebluegirl]

78. I hear the "elites are making fun of us" thing a lot here in Oklahoma.

With the help of fox noise they are led to believe that being smart is a curse.

[gratuitous]

81. I'm going to keep trying

I'm not trying to start a fight, particularly with a friend, and particularly over a Facebook post, but I am resolved to push back ever so slightly to find out who these elites are and what specifically they're saying or doing that is so disrespectful. It's easy enough to whine and moan about being treated unfairly, but I suspect the actual incident behind the whine is nothing quite so dire.

[bearsfootball516]

70. You absolutely can't fix stupid.

[The Genealogist]

71. Trump has caused me pain, so I am going to vote for him again

That makes sense. Not. I'm guessing that this guy is a racist, xenophobe, homophobe or some other kind of hater, and continues to stick to Trump because he hates the right people.

[lapfog_1]

4. Farmer Dude... you are a frog

and Trump is a Scorpion.

[SlogginThroughIt]

19. Farmer dude IS a frog

Farmer dude IS a frog but he is sitting in Trumps kettle and has no idea that the water is steadily getting hotter

[FakeNoose]

5. Oddly though, these guys didn't listen to Chump in 2016

... when he came right out and TOLD THEM he planned to screw them. They voted for him anyway!
Some people just never learn.

[Mc Mike]

7. A cockroach would be a better alternative to Rump, Bill.

[Bettie]

8. If he's voting for the guy who is destroying his industry again

then, frankly, fuck him.

If he can not learn from his mistakes, then he deserves every rotten thing that happens to him.

I'm sick of people who see the harm that agent orange is doing and still say "well, I'll vote for him again!" Fuck every last one of them.

[dchill]

57. There you go.

[Bettie]

65. I'm a little frustrated with people who

vote against their own best interest, to put it mildly.

To hear people say "well, he's a criminal and his policies are harming me and my family, business, etc. but I still think I'll vote for him because he really hates the people I like to see hurt!

It sounds cold and it isn't who I usually am, but fuck them all. I no longer have any fucks to give for people who choose their own destruction.

These are the people who would stand there and smile at him as he shot each and every member of their family and thank him for it as he walked out.

[dchill]

69. "Anything is better than a librul!"

[womanofthehills]

73. So true - I see that in my small town

They have hated liberals for all long they will vote for the guy taking away their food stamps but never blame it on him.

[smirkymonkey]

74. I agree completely.

When will these people put their own economic interests over their hatred for people who don't think and look like them. Talk about stupid. I hope they all suffer the consequences of their poor decisions.

[Bettie]

77. But, I bet you struggle with that feeling

I know I do.

I'm a generally compassionate, empathetic person. However, willful destruction seems to be my line in the sand.

Or, I'm reaching the age where I no longer suffer fools easily.

[smirkymonkey]

83. Yes, I do. When I see them being interviewed, I feel compassion forTh them.

But when I hear that they are going to vote for Trump AGAIN, I feel like I have to just wash my hands of their plight and allow the chips to fall where they may. If they are bankrupted, they have nobody to blame but themselves and Donald Trump.

They are the ones who have decided to put their hatred above their own economic interests, and for that I wish them nothing but the worst.

[Nay]

9. Ya think?? But hey, keep on voting for this charlatan. If there's one satisfaction I will

get out of this whole clusterfuck, it's that dumb shits like you will most likely lose everything.

[Hortensis]

10. Very slow learner. He only had 40 years to learn that.

Or half an hour of research.

[UpInArms]

11. Was in my local farmers coop yesterday

Corn ... $3.28 a bushel
Soybeans ... $7.80 a bushel

Comparison ....

August 2016

Corn ... $3.25 a bushel
Soybeans ... $9.99 a bushel

[MFGsunny]

49. Full stop. THIS data tells the story. n/t

[Coventina]

12. Fuck you, Farmer Bill!!!

[bullwinkle428]

13. How many examples like this do people need to see before they

realize there's absolutely no point in trying to win over the hardcore Chump voters from 2016?

"Better alternative" in this guy's eyes : someone who hates all of the same people that he and Chump do, but won't totally destroy their markets.

[dalton99a]

14. Trump's farm bailout has cost taxpayers more than double the auto bailout

https://www.freep.com/story/money/business/john-gallagher/2019/09/24/farmer-bailout-payments-china-trade-tariffs/2418676001/

Trump's farm bailout has cost taxpayers more than double the auto bailout
John Gallagher, Detroit Free Press Published 6:00 a.m. ET Sept. 24, 2019

President Donald Trump's trade-related payments to American farmers have quietly become the mother of all bailouts.

Back when General Motors and Chrysler faced bankruptcy during the Great Recession, Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama pumped billions into a rescue of the auto industry. That bailout ultimately cost the public about $12 billion when everything was settled and loans repaid.

But that looks like small potatoes compared with the farm bailout underway now. So far, Trump's direct payments to farmers hurt by his trade dispute with China have totaled some $28 billion — more than twice what the auto bailout cost, according to calculations from Bloomberg Businessweek. And the payments are still flowing with no end in sight to the trade dispute.

[Ilsa]

18. And we were repaid the auto bailout. IIRC.

I don't see how we will recover these funds.

[mr_lebowski]

72. We wont' recover the funds, right, but according to the article ...

"That bailout ultimately cost the public about $12 billion when everything was settled and loans repaid."

I hadn't read the public ended up that far behind in that deal, thought we were paid back ... but I didn't follow it super-closely.

Curious what the facts are now ...

[CrispyQ]

64. I would ask where the media is on this, but I ask that question all the fucking time.

This needs to be a major campaign point for the dems. They should point out that this looks a lot like the dreaded S word. Oh noes!!

[Blue_true]

86. Where is the tea party? I thought they were concerned about federal spending? nt

[Alliepoo]

15. What Bettie said!

I agree 100%!

[LonePirate]

17. 45 may be bad for his business but he just can't quit the racism so he will vote for him again.

These people are despicable, shallow and ignorant representations of humans.

[lark]

20. He deserves every bad thing that's happened plus a ton more.

I really dislike stupid stupid people who hurt others and the world out of pure ignorance, racism & hate. Seems that's why this guy likes him, because it certainly isn't drumpfs economic moves.

[Raftergirl]

21. You can't teach stupid

“Don’t touch the stove, it’s hot.”

Touches stove.

[Doitnow]

36. Stupid people don't know they are stupid.

[UniteFightBack]

22. He's sort of backstabbing me but I'll vote for him again?? He's stabbing you in the front DUMBASS.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. Sort of? LOL!

[Aristus]

24. Somebody needs to call the waaaaahmbulance.

Then call a real ambulance. That guy is one prime rib dinner away from a heart attack. I'm not saying that's a deal-breaker. One less Trumpster after all...

[lunatica]

25. The battered spouse syndrome

“He really does love me.”

[Iliyah]

26. But you will still vote for him . . .

[barbtries]

27. can't fix stupid. nt

[Takket]

28. How is he backstabbing them?

Drumpf promised them a trade war and he delivered one. It really isn’t drumpf’s fault that his voters weren’t paying attention and were more interested in electing a racist than anything else.

Y’ALL VOTED FOR THIS! Don’t complain now. Vote Dem 2020 if you care.

[phylny]

29. It's like one of those stories that write themselves.

"I voted for Trump but I'm really _______ that he ______ and I am losing money because _______ but I'll still vote for him because ________."

[bucolic_frolic]

30. "Sort of" these yayhooz are just not the brightest bulbs

looks like he's been sitting on the tractor for 40 years

[NNadir]

31. As long as it isn't their racism that's stabbed, they're OK.

[Golden Raisin]

32. Not only will vote for him again but

almost certainly will also vote straight Republican down ticket. Deplorable. Not ignorant, but fucking stupid.

[AirmensMom]

34. "Unless they come up with a better alternative..."

What a maroon! EVERY alternative is better than that monster! Why is it so hard for people to see? I don't feel one iota of pity for this idiot.

[Doitnow]

35. ..... "and then they came for me."

[Baitball Blogger]

37. Five years after Trump is gone they'll release the statistics

to show that small farms decreased considerably because of Trump's poor decisions. The sad thing is that the sloth off will continue during the next presidents term because that is just how business works, and it will all be blamed on a Democratic president if they can't fix the problems Trump created in their first two years of their term.

[spanone]

38. 'Sort of' Bwahahahahahaaa

[bluestarone]

39. THIS goes way beyond STUPID!

Like a frog sitting right in front of a VERY HUNGRY snake. (saying he won't eat me)

[patphil]

40. I guess back-stabbing isn't all that bad.

It's like he's in an abusive relationship and hasn't got the courage, or self esteem to get out of it.
Or perhaps he's just too dumb to grasp the fact that Trump doesn't give a shit about him, except on election day.
Forrest Gump was thinking of these kind of people when he said. "Stupid is as stupid does".
And, of course, there is Ron White, "You can't fix stupid".
This farmer is broken!

Pat Phillips

[JHB]

41. A guy with a long track record of back-stabbing "little people" after he gets...

...what he wants from them is back-stabbing you after he got your vote that he wanted?

How could anyone have possibly foreseen that?!?

But you'll vote for him again, "unless they come up with a better alternative"?

Do you even know what that is? I mean, unless you voted for him knowing that he would back-stab you, maybe you want to consider you didn't have a clear view of things last time. Are you so sure you have a clear view of things this time?

[marble falls]

43. "Sort of"??????????

[muntrv]

45. We warned you, but did you listen?

NOOOOOHHHH!

[Liberalhammer]

46. He is voting for trump again

Because he is a racist piece of shit.

[AJT]

47. And this guy backstabbed America by voting for 45...

turnabout is a bitch.

[BuffaloJackalope]

53. What do chickens expect when they vote for Col Sanders?

[Kaleva]

54. Demand for milk was trending downward long before Trump took office.

[CTyankee]

56. We told you so! Now don't come crying to us.

You made your bed. Now you have to lie in it with this disgusting creep and his fellow creeps.

You had it coming to you!

[CrispyQ]

58. You sorry POS, you've been conned.

Too bad the rest of us have to suffer for your ignorance, gullibility, & narrow-mindedness.

~insert flip-the-bird smilie here

[Scalded Nun]

59. But he'll tell you it's OK.

You are only feeling pain because of:
1. Democrats in general
2. Her emails
3. The Bidens
4. Socialists
5. Blacks
6. Browns
7. All other non-whites
8. Immigrants
9. Nervous Nancy
10. Shifty Schiff
11. Any other foe-of-the-day

And he knows you are stupid and hate-filled enough to buy it.

[CanonRay]

66. The very definition of a MAGAT

Vote for a moron who shits on the Constitution, ruins the country and crashes your business and then vote for him again.

[Ilsa]

75. "Fool me once, shame on you,"

"fool me twice, because I'm a hateful moron."

[JustAnotherGen]

76. Guy is full of it

He knew PRECISELY what he voted for.
He knew he couldn't rely on duty drawbacks to alleviate his tariff burden.

He knew.

Now - he's gotta own it.

[apnu]

79. when asked if he would vote for Trump in 2020, Boyd conceded, "... I'm going to vote for him again."

So he's going to vote for the guy screwing him again. Never seen so many people work so hard to kill themselves. Its hard to have any sympathy for idiots like this.

on edit: his full statement is: 'Despite that, when asked if he would vote for Trump in 2020, Boyd conceded, “Unless they come up with a better alternative, I’m going to vote for him again.” '

Who is "they" he's talking about? Republicans? Democrats? He had a good alternative in 2016, a moderate pro-business centrist in Hillary Clinton. but he picked the famously, hilariously, bankrupt con-man.

[TheFarseer]

80. Talking to farmers

Most of them say something had to be done about the Chinese. The Democrats were letting them get away with everything. They’re team players. I’ll say that for them.

[Vinca]

82. "I'm going to vote for him again." Just burn the farm down and get it over with, sport.

[struggle4progress]

84. "If I actually have to take the time to learn the name of another candidate,

then I guess I'll just have to vote for the back-stabbing, pussy-grabbing, know-nothing liar who's been selling our country to the Russians"

[Skittles]

85. BOO FUCKING HOO

I have ZERO SYMPATHY for anyone who actually VOTED for that pussy-grabbing fascist con man