Even crazier footage from the UPS shootout, you can hear a bullet ricochet off of their car.

[dewsgirl]

I am not positive, but I believe one of the victims was in the black car on the left side of the screen.

Link to tweet

[Renew Deal]

1. Not sure, but it's possible that the person in the black car at the end got shot

That looks like the car that the bystander was in.

[dewsgirl]

2. I know, the whole situation is beyond horrific.

[hlthe2b]

3. Four dead, including UPS driver and bystander just reported.

https://www.local10.com/news/2019/12/05/shots-fired-during-armed-robbery-on-miracle-mile-in-coral-gables/


Innocents were involved, yet they shot into the truck? I'll wait to hear details, but I'm really upset by this.

[ansible]

4. Jesus, why are people here ignoring this?

This is quite possibly the most fucked up police shooting I've ever seen in my life. Holy fucking shit, they just shot at the poor UPS driver while he was crawling away and even killed another civilian while using civilian cars as cover!

[malaise]

18. +1,000

This is the definition of a reckless approach to policing. Clearly they were not intent on rescuing the poor UPS man. They endangered everyone within sight and killed two innocent people.

[A HERETIC I AM]

5. How many cops felt compelled to join this fracas? Fucking ridiculous.

Why is it that in situations similar to this, regardless of where they take place, dozens, even scores of police seem to feel the need to respond? Did this REALLY need all those cops? I think it is part of the ethos of being a cop - that desire to be part of "the action" no matter the ancillary effect. In this case, it resulted in at least 2 completely innocent people being shot by the police for no other reason than that need to be a part of the action. To have a literal shoot-out in a crowded intersection is absurd. How many cop cars are in that video? How many cops are on the street, shooting at that UPS truck? Talk about overkill.

I left Miami back in the late 80's. The various police departments were out of control back then. Seems they haven't learned much in the ensuing decades.

[ansible]

6. They just shot the crap out of the truck with absolutely no regard for civilian lives

The UPS driver

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https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/frank-ordonez/

[dewsgirl]

16. Just beyond heartbreaking.😭

[lunasun]

27. A go fund me fundraiser for his family

https://www.gofundme.com/f/frank-ordonez-go-fund-me?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&fbclid=IwAR3x_CwdmGAfA5X6uaaiKMq18zSsJlxCIW2GcsBivNJ_58E3YwGASQOTku8

[crickets]

7. Insane. With that many people in cars surrounding the scene

it was a shitshow anyway when the thief started shooting, but cops firing into that UPS truck guaranteed the death of the driver. Bystander death was also a guarantee.

It's horrifying, I just- wow.

[dewsgirl]

17. I don't understand why they chose to do it the way they did..

[A HERETIC I AM]

24. It wasn't something they chose

It was adrenaline, pure and simple

There was no plan, clearly. If there was, it wouldn’t have unfolded the way it did.

[crickets]

25. "There was no plan, clearly." Exactly.

This points out that there was an egregious lack of training, as well as a lack of leadership. At the very least, every single one of those officers should be harshly reprimanded and put through proper training again along with some kind of probation period.

The police chief should be out of there. There's no excuse for what looked like every officer within radio signal distance showing up in a vest with a drawn gun. There didn't seem to be any protocol or discipline involved.

I don't think much accountability is going to happen, sadly. At worst, I've seen headlines calling this, 'dramatic.' The cops are hedging about who shot whom, saying it's going to be a 'complicated investigation.' When they are investigating themselves, that sound a bit disingenuous.

I know we must have DU members who are police or involved in law enforcement, and I know it's a voluntary job that can be extremely dangerous, adrenaline is a thing, etc. I'm not going to say that all police suck or whatever, but it is obvious that law enforcement in this country has some serious problems with how they perceive their role in society, as well as how they perceive the people they are supposed to be protecting. In this event, it really shows and it is ugly.

[A HERETIC I AM]

28. Very well said

I can’t add anything else. You nailed it

[Lonnie Mack]

8. This should end with everybody on the scene having to hand in their badges

and serve hard time! But who thinks THAT will happen?

I despise the police. Protect and serve, my ass.

[greyl]

9. Happening the day after Bill Barr's disgusting comments, this is extra-distressing.

Ultimately, the cops succeeded in recovering property while taking four lives.

Do I have that right?

[crickets]

10. Well the UPS truck and a few cars are a writeoff, but yes.

Thank goodness the jewelry is OK.

[Celerity]

12. +100000

[malaise]

19. And that is the real story

Sickening

[Celerity]

11. "It's unfortunate that the bystanders were killed, but the bad guys put all this in motion,"

said Steadman Stahl, president of the Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association, to the newspaper.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

13. so, the cops are not responsible for the results of firing their weapons indiscriminately?

[greyl]

14. "The bad guys", as if a cop can't be a bad guy by virtue of the suit they don.

F Steadman Stahl.

Edit: removed Twitter link after finding unsavory content down the feed

don
verb (used with object), donned, don·ning.
to put on or dress in: to don one's clothes.

[BootinUp]

15. insane. nt

[lunasun]

26. That is the line that really did it for me

[superpatriotman]

20. Yes the person in the black car was killed

[dewsgirl]

21. Heartbreaking.💔 also beyond reckless of the Miami PD.

[KG]

22. cops, still oblivious as to why they aren't universally loved.

[dewsgirl]

23. Completely reckless of them, I watched several videos last

night, mainly all from within cars. Why couldn't they wait? They were using innocent people basically as shields. SMH.💔😭

[WhiskeyGrinder]

29. FTP.

[dewsgirl]

30. +1000