They Voted Democratic. Now They Support Trump.

[Cattledog]

Two-thirds of battleground state voters who chose Trump in 2016 but selected Democrats in the midterms say they will return to the president next year.

Midterm victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin gave Democrats hope of retaking the Rust Belt battleground states that handed the presidency to Donald J. Trump in 2016.

Yet success in the midterms might not mean as much for Democratic presidential candidates as the party might think. Nearly two-thirds of voters in six battleground states who voted for President Trump in 2016 — but for Democratic congressional candidates in 2018 — say they intend to back the president against each of his top rivals, according to recent polling by The New York Times Upshot/Siena College.

The results suggest that the party’s winning formula in last year’s midterms may not be so easy to replicate in a presidential election. The Democrats’ relatively moderate House candidates succeeded in large part by flipping a crucial segment of voters who backed the president in 2016. If these voters remain open-minded again in 2020, Democrats will have a ready-made blueprint for winning back the crucial Rust Belt battlegrounds.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/26/upshot/democratic-trump-voters-2020.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=The%20Upshot

[crazytown]

1. Nurse!

[warrior1]

2. bullshit

[Johonny]

18. Siena is a highly conservative school

Their polling in upstate New York is generally good, but I'm not sure I'd trust it to tell me how Democratic voters will vote.

[dalton99a]

3. The New York Times is pushing a narrative

[Roland99]

23. Not for the first time either. All their "swing voters" are MAGAts

Thinly disguised

[getagrip_already]

4. So he has lost 1/3 of his Pickups", yet...

The margins of "victory" were razor thin.

I don't see that as any kind of good news for trup. 1/3 of the voters in a group he needs abandoned him.

Why the rw spin?

[sdfernando]

21. This was my 1st thought as well

he barely eked out a win, so losing 1/3 of the group that put him over the top is pretty bad news for the orange pustule.

[TheRealNorth]

31. What percentage of the electorate does this account for?

My guess is that these voters account for 3 percentage of the electorate. Perhaps in states like PA, NO, WI, OH it's around 5%. Even I. Those states, if we peel 2% off we should be in good shape, as long as we can turn out our base as well.

Point is, i am not going to pretend Trump is not breaking the law to supplicate to these voters.

[zaj]

5. Now that's an enlightening poll... not good results, but still...

It was an excellent question that I hadn't seen asked before, and that's surprising, given that it goes right to the heart of the election assumptions about 2020.

[uponit7771]

6. Please post the poll, NYT's FOS metric has been high lately

[dalton99a]

7. Another NYT spin - today's headline:

[Proud Liberal Dem]

11. Wow

He's losing in Court- BUT HE'S STILL WINNING!


Is anybody reviewing these stories/headlines before going to print?

[Joe941]

13. I'm tired of all the winning.

[Butterflylady]

8. How can they say they will return to dotard

When they don't know who the Democratic nominee will be.

[dalton99a]

9. Exactly.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

10. More obsession/fixation on Trump voters

This seems like it has become almost a running joke with the NYT

Why are Trump voters so damned important? Why isn't anybody paying attention to Hillary voters from 2016 or would-be Democratic voters in 2020? Or perhaps some of those Republican voters whom might vote Democratic in 2020?

I swear that they are working hard to dampen our enthusiasm in 2020.

[Joe941]

12. I dont believe it. This is just a narrative they want to push.

[Orangepeel]

14. how many is a third? didn't he "win" each of those states by less than 80,000 votes

[Garrett78]

27. I would guess 1/3rd would amount to far more than 80,000. More importantly...

...I expect overall turnout to be much greater in 2020 than it was in 2016.

[Vogon_Glory]

29. And how many D voters sat on the sidelines in 2016

I hate to acknowledge it, but despite the fact that she was highly competent and qualified, Hillary was not only unpopular, but didn’t rouse enough enthusiasm among Democratic-leaning voters.

How many 2016 sidelining Democrats are going to remain sidelining next fall? After I’ve three years of Trump, not so many, I’d say.

I’d say we’ll not only have most of our base come out, but a lot of our former side-liners, new voters, and a lot of people across the spectrum who loathe Individual One.

[Mc Mike]

33. 11,000 in MI, 22,000 in WI, 44,000 in PA.

out of 4.5 million votes in MI, 2.8 million in WI, 5.9 million in PA.

He won by 2/10s of 1%, 7/10s of 1%, and 7/10s 0f 1%.

[book_worm]

15. Even if he lost a third of the Dems who voted for him he would be in trouble

and also did they look at suburban indies and even some republican women turning against Trump?

[Andy823]

16. If they are still voting for trump

They were never "really" Democrats in the first place. I don't believe a lot of crap that is being promoted from trump media sources.

[TidalWave46]

17. Not sure why people are viewing this as bad. Sounds like spin to me.

He can't afford to lose this support.

[Baltimike]

19. only gets 2/3 of them, we still win. This is right wing poppycock. nt

[Tiggeroshii]

20. The isnt very many

[Recursion]

22. Tim Carney at the Washington Examiner has been looking at this a lot

Yes, he's a conservative goon, but he's one of the few worth reading. He's been looking since the mid-terms at why Trump keeps Trump voters but has not been able to convert them into Republican voters generally. It's a very interesting question.

[Roland99]

24. WHOA! Check this FL voter reaction...

Link to tweet

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[magicarpet]

26. What the hell did they lace his Kool Aid with ?

[Roland99]

28. I dunno. But the staged photo op is strong in this one...

Link to tweet

Also, I would like to point out how they only serve glasses of water and no food at that restaurant, easy day for the dishwasher!

[ritapria]

25. New York Times wants us to nominate an Economic Royalist

They don't want real change ..They are thriving under the status quo ...They want Trump's economic policies to continue …..They just desire a more respectable spokesmen to continue the same old same old ..Don't fall for their bullshit ...Bloomberg is their wet dream ...

[Kid Berwyn]

30. Ding! Ding! Ding!

There once was a magazine to correct the record of “the paper of record,” Lies of Our Times. It only published for a few years.

Here’s the LOOT archive in PDF format:

https://archive.org/details/LiesOfOurTimesCollection

[dalton99a]

32. +1