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Archae

(46,333 posts)
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 09:05 PM Nov 2019

The War On Christmas has begun!

Well, these assholes think so...

The Religious Right’s War on the ‘War on Christmas’ Is Well Underway

Just as stores start playing Christmas music long before Thanksgiving, religious right groups do not wait for the start of Advent season to start complaining about the supposed “war on Christmas” by the nation’s retailers. Anti-LGBTQ legal group Liberty Counsel launched this week its annual “Naughty and Nice” list, which is meant to steer shoppers away from stores that rely too much on “Happy Holidays” messaging and not enough on “the true Reason for the season.” The list is part of the group’s “Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign,” which promises to be a “Foe” to those who try to “censor” Christmas.

Liberty Counsel is also promoting a Prager U video published a few years ago in which right-wing propagandist Dennis Prager explains why saying “Happy Holidays” is not, as you might think, an inclusive approach to the holiday season in a diverse society. Instead, he claims that not using the word “Christmas” is “hurtful.” Prager portrays public-facing employees as being afraid to use the “C-word” for fear of violating “all the sensitivity training they’ve had to undergo.” Prager insists, “Of course it’s a war on Christmas,” which he says is really “a war on the religious nature of America.”

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/the-religious-rights-war-on-the-war-on-christmas-is-well-underway/

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The War On Christmas has begun! (Original Post) Archae Nov 2019 OP
Otherwise known as "The War On Non Christians Season" eleny Nov 2019 #1
Or anyone who's not a member of the Fox Christofasisct white supremacy RW nutjob cult. Initech Nov 2019 #44
Time to break out... Newest Reality Nov 2019 #2
I wanna see the footage DVRacer Nov 2019 #17
Those Elves Are Pretty Tough! ProfessorGAC Nov 2019 #20
Missile toes armed and ready! klook Nov 2019 #32
Damn, it seems like the 'war on christmas' starts earlier every year. Captain Stern Nov 2019 #3
My shot Cartoonist Nov 2019 #4
I want to post that on my FB page, PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2019 #28
Hmm Cartoonist Nov 2019 #33
So you think Black Friday and other examples of orgiastic consumerism are the reason? Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #37
Oddly enough, I just tried again, PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2019 #42
Exactly. LakeArenal Nov 2019 #29
I love the Solstice wryter2000 Nov 2019 #30
Indeed. LakeArenal Nov 2019 #31
If there is a war on Christmas Ferryboat Nov 2019 #5
Can I abbreviate it "X-mas?" ProudLib72 Nov 2019 #6
Only if you want to burn in hell for eternity. smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #10
But I'm not Christian! ProudLib72 Nov 2019 #22
Oh, well then you are definitely screwed. smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #27
When my now BIL came to his first Christmas with my family ProudLib72 Nov 2019 #43
I remember Bill O'Reilly and John Gibson of Fox Noise lordsummerisle Nov 2019 #7
Hmmmmm. Wellstone ruled Nov 2019 #8
Tis the season for the big manufactured affront from "The Libs." Liberal In Texas Nov 2019 #9
And apparently the "libs" don't spend any of our hard earned money on Christmas maxrandb Nov 2019 #38
My decoder ring let me down... bluecollar2 Nov 2019 #11
My response is always: Roland99 Nov 2019 #12
It was long before that. Mariana Nov 2019 #19
It was from Henry Ford and his "Dearborn Independent" for decades. Archae Nov 2019 #25
I don't want to think about the holidays. Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2019 #13
We grew up with Perry Como Norbert Nov 2019 #14
"Christian" supremacists. Archae Nov 2019 #15
This was never an issue Norbert Nov 2019 #16
Oh, they were complaining about it long before that. Mariana Nov 2019 #21
But you have to be the 'right' kind of Christian. keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #34
They canceled the ice sculptures at North Pole, Alaska! Because of ... global warming muriel_volestrangler Nov 2019 #18
i thought about writing a reasoned reply to this........ Takket Nov 2019 #23
It's not too early to put out my Happy Holidays yard sign. nt Hotler Nov 2019 #24
I do love Christmas but even I'll be sick of it this year tavernier Nov 2019 #26
Donald Trump Wished Everyone 'Happy Holidays' When Obama Was Saying 'Merry Christmas' keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #35
What a bunch of pathetic snowflakes. Initech Nov 2019 #36
The biggest pagan in America sits in the Oval Office, plotting new crimes to NCjack Nov 2019 #39
The Dems are missing an opportunity maxrandb Nov 2019 #40
I used to like the holiday season. smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #41
I'm a childhood refugee of the war on Christmas. hunter Nov 2019 #45

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
2. Time to break out...
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 09:13 PM
Nov 2019

Yay! It's time to break out the candycane catapults and the gingerbread grenades! Break the doors down with Yule logs and be shure launch some missile toes!

Let it blow, let it blow, let it blow!

DVRacer

(707 posts)
17. I wanna see the footage
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 09:35 AM
Nov 2019

Of the raid on the “compound” at the North Pole. Did the old man run off into an ice cave like a dog?

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
3. Damn, it seems like the 'war on christmas' starts earlier every year.
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 09:15 PM
Nov 2019

Is it too much to ask that we at least finish up the 'war on thanksgiving' first?

There's only so much time in the day, and lots of us still have to work. And, on top of that we're still dealing with the fallout over Columbus Day and Halloween.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
28. I want to post that on my FB page,
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 01:17 PM
Nov 2019

but when I cop the location and try that, the bottom part, Don't Be Fooled By Imitations, is cut off. Darn.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
33. Hmm
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 01:44 PM
Nov 2019

Try opening the image in a new tab, and then copy that URL.

I'm glad you like it. I got sick of seeing those Jesus is the reason signs.

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
37. So you think Black Friday and other examples of orgiastic consumerism are the reason?
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 02:37 PM
Nov 2019

Me too.


I wish one person of note would have the temerity to say, "You know America's version of Christmas has become little more than an exercise in mindless materialism and let's stop with the religious excuse." Yes there are people who donate time to feed the poor and who get sustenance from their relgion but this is 100 times worse than I was a kid. It's all about buying crap - which I don't have a problem with for kids although they go overboard on that too.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
42. Oddly enough, I just tried again,
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 03:26 PM
Nov 2019

Only this time I simply copied the picture and posted that. It worked!

Hooray!

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)
29. Exactly.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 01:24 PM
Nov 2019

For the last few years I’ve made Solstice cards. I send them to everyone. I was told it offend someone...
But I could not care less....

The Solstice is the only factual thing about the season. Halloween, Thanksgiving, Jesus’s birthdate, New Year all fake.

I personally consider the Solstice the New Year.
But I don’t insist it is

Ferryboat

(922 posts)
5. If there is a war on Christmas
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 09:24 PM
Nov 2019

Christmas is winning hands down. Christmas holiday decorations are out before Halloween. Plows right over Thanksgiving like a speed bump.

I realize it is all about making holiday sales and finishing with a strong last quarter. So much for goodwill towards your fellow man.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
10. Only if you want to burn in hell for eternity.
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:58 PM
Nov 2019

"Good Christians" say Merry Christmas the proper way. But it's up to you.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
27. Oh, well then you are definitely screwed.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 01:12 PM
Nov 2019

Poor you!

FWIW, I am a fallen Christian. Even as a child, I knew it was bullshit.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
43. When my now BIL came to his first Christmas with my family
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 06:37 PM
Nov 2019

he was shocked. He had been raised in a Catholic family. They weren't really religious, but I think they still kept some of the practices like going to mass. Anyway, my parents lived in Las Vegas at the time, so one of our stocking stuffers was rolls of quarters for the slot machines. We all went down on the strip for Christmas!

lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
7. I remember Bill O'Reilly and John Gibson of Fox Noise
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 10:24 PM
Nov 2019

going on ad nauseam about this. Off camera they probably were cracking up about how the rubes were buying it.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Hmmmmm.
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:43 PM
Nov 2019

The older I get the less I even worry about Xmas. Hopefully those whom have to get up each day and trudge to work get a couple days off with pay. That is not a given anymore.

Liberal In Texas

(13,556 posts)
9. Tis the season for the big manufactured affront from "The Libs."
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:48 PM
Nov 2019

You know, the Libs that are guacamole toast eaters or some other nutso meme.

maxrandb

(15,333 posts)
38. And apparently the "libs" don't spend any of our hard earned money on Christmas
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 02:41 PM
Nov 2019

Gee, imagine what we could do to hate radio if we ever went to war with them.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
19. It was long before that.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 09:48 AM
Nov 2019

I was reading some newspapers from December 1895, and they were chock full of notices for Holiday parties, Hoiiday sales, holiday trips, etc.

Archae

(46,333 posts)
25. It was from Henry Ford and his "Dearborn Independent" for decades.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 01:05 PM
Nov 2019

His pet "newspaper" ran stories about how "Jews were at war with Christmas" in the 20's and during the Depression.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
13. I don't want to think about the holidays.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 06:15 AM
Nov 2019

The Evangelical right can go stick a candy cane up their rears, hook first.

Norbert

(6,040 posts)
14. We grew up with Perry Como
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 07:01 AM
Nov 2019

He must have been a heathen. He don't say Christmas at all.



Seriously, who are the snowflakes?

Archae

(46,333 posts)
15. "Christian" supremacists.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 08:11 AM
Nov 2019

These are groups that are demanding the US become a "Christian nation."

Jews? Forget it.
Muslims? Hell no.
Buddhists? Bite your tongue.
Atheists? Absolutely not.

Groups like the one in the OP are obsessed with making everyone worship the way *THEY* demand, almost always born-again fundamentalists with their gospel of greed.

Norbert

(6,040 posts)
16. This was never an issue
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 09:10 AM
Nov 2019

Until O'Reilly appointed himself chief of the Christmas police.

You are so correct. It is a thinly veiled campaign to 'Make America White Again'.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
21. Oh, they were complaining about it long before that.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 10:07 AM
Nov 2019

I was told in Sunday School in the 1970's that it's anti-Christian to write Xmas instead of spelling out Christmas, for example. They didn't like to hear Happy Holidays or Season's Greetings.

What O'Reilly did was make it socially acceptable for Christians to harass and berate store clerks who say, "Happy Holidays" or even if they just say "Thank you for shopping at XYZ", without any reference to holidays. I experienced this myself, working a cash register in Texas in the 1990's. Some of my Christian relatives brag about doing this.

keithbvadu2

(36,819 posts)
34. But you have to be the 'right' kind of Christian.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 01:58 PM
Nov 2019

But you have to be the 'right' kind of Christian.

Many Catholics/Protestants say the other is not a true Christian.

Billy/Franklin Graham say Catholics are not Christians.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
18. They canceled the ice sculptures at North Pole, Alaska! Because of ... global warming
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 09:35 AM
Nov 2019
Apparently global warming is now waging war on Christmas.

The town of North Pole, Alaska, had to cancel their yearly “Christmas in Ice” celebration. The reason? Not enough ice.

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2019/11/22/global-warming-wages-war-on-christmas/

Takket

(21,575 posts)
23. i thought about writing a reasoned reply to this........
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 12:34 PM
Nov 2019

containing all the reasons why this "Liberty council" is full of shit

but i would just be preaching to the choir anyway....

So I'm just going to slam my head into a wall instead.

tavernier

(12,392 posts)
26. I do love Christmas but even I'll be sick of it this year
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 01:11 PM
Nov 2019

as it started the same time as pre Halloween, which started around the middle of August.

As a Christian it did have more meaning as I was growing up, before the Mega Mall and Walmart Superstore Explosions. I remember after church sitting around the tree on Christmas Eve with my parents and grandparents. After a meal of ham and potato salad, prepared earlier in the day, me squirming and anxious as I waited to get to the gift opening part. There were perhaps two gifts for each family member, maybe one or two more for the child. But in order to get your beautifully wrapped package, you were obligated to sing a verse of a carol, or tell a short Christmas story. Dad would dress up as Santa when I was very young.

Those Christmas Eves are burned into my memory as magical and beautiful. I don’t remember any of the presents, but I still hear the laughter.

I don’t think there’s a war on Christmas. I just think we sometimes forget to focus on the important parts of the holiday in order to find out what’s under the shiny paper wrappings.

keithbvadu2

(36,819 posts)
35. Donald Trump Wished Everyone 'Happy Holidays' When Obama Was Saying 'Merry Christmas'
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 02:00 PM
Nov 2019

Donald Trump Wished Everyone 'Happy Holidays' When Obama Was Saying 'Merry Christmas'

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-barack-obama-christmas-758794

Initech

(100,080 posts)
36. What a bunch of pathetic snowflakes.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 02:28 PM
Nov 2019

Did your little feelings get hurt because someone didn't praise Baby Jesus enough? Well guess what? There are no safe spaces in the real world. Suck it up, buttercup!

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
39. The biggest pagan in America sits in the Oval Office, plotting new crimes to
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 02:42 PM
Nov 2019

enrich his family and himself. But, RW Xtians want to fight a war about Xmas.

maxrandb

(15,333 posts)
40. The Dems are missing an opportunity
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 02:44 PM
Nov 2019

A video of Hillary Clinton singing Silent Night would cause the Retrumplicans to stroke out.

Might even take enough of them out that partisan gerrymandering couldn't even save their pathetic party.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
41. I used to like the holiday season.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 02:54 PM
Nov 2019

This is just one more reason why I am beginning to dread it. All the magic has gone out of it for me. It's now just filled with anxiety and loathing. The commercial aspect of it is a huge part of that. As well as the bullshit "Happy Holidays" debate. I live in a large multi-cultural city and I will say "Happy Holidays" because it's the most appropriate greeting.

I can't afford it anymore and I don't want to confront my family with the fact that I simply do not want to go into more debt to give them things that they probably don't want or need and I don't want them to give me things that I don't want or need.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
45. I'm a childhood refugee of the war on Christmas.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 08:01 PM
Nov 2019

Half the Christians in my family believed Christmas was a bullshit pagan holiday.

Christmas was always a time of intense religious warfare in my family. Christmas wasn't good and done until people were bleeding and crying and going home angry, satisfied that God was with them, and only them.

Religious warfare was our family's favorite sport. Football was nothing.

I had just one tough grandma who wished to celebrate a typical 20th century U.S.A. Santa Claus May Company Christmas Tree Christmas, and mostly she got her way, but not without friction.

My favorite Christmas, but only in retrospect as a sexagenarian, was the Christmas morning I threw open the doors of my grandparent's camper van, yelled "Merry Christmas!" (because I was eager to open presents) and interrupted them fucking naked non-traditional Christmas grandma riding cowboy.








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