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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 20 THREAD 3***
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crickets
(25,982 posts)demmiblue
(36,875 posts)"Loves your ass." Trumpspeak. 3 letter words. 4 letter words. Quid pro quo. A$AP Rocky. This is the Presidency that 60 million thought would make them great again. Are you not entertained?
Link to tweet
Bucky
(54,041 posts)It's the politicization of foreign aid to trash his expected Democratic rival for 2020. Harry Truman cussed up a blue streak, but always served the nation and the Constitution.
It's the bite, not the bark, that betrays the country.
crickets
(25,982 posts)Bucky
(54,041 posts)Or are his manbabysitters managing to keep him away from his "smart"phone
nolabear
(41,990 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)He has to be shitting himself!
nolabear
(41,990 posts)klook
(12,164 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)saying it again outside of his opening statement when its obvious thats the intent behind more of his conversations with Taylor, Morrison, et al
BumRushDaShow
(129,355 posts)Felix Sater (and the slime factor)!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,400 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,355 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)he is taking down. I just hope his testimony holds. Let this man walk if he can just get everyone else on the hook.
Botany
(70,561 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,400 posts)nolabear
(41,990 posts)Can we request Devin cam to see what he looks like right now? 😂
ancianita
(36,130 posts)And where's Rudy been lately?
"The only thing I know is that the "investigation" must be announced publicly. President Trump presumably spoke through Mr. Giuliani."
uponit7771
(90,356 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Since Ukraine has a history of not following thru
Backs up yesterdays testimony from Volker / Morrison
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)It was always about a smear, not substance.
DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)assessment.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)She decided she wants to postpone our plans today, because she's all caught up in the testimony.
polichick
(37,152 posts)klook
(12,164 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,580 posts)Based on Sondland testimony, House is fully entitled to hear from, at a minimum: Pompeo, Bolton,Mulvaney. Oh, and Vice President Pence.
Link to tweet
mucifer
(23,559 posts)ancianita
(36,130 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,400 posts)mucifer
(23,559 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,355 posts)(and not just the meeting)
polichick
(37,152 posts)ancianita
(36,130 posts)Whatever your 2+2=4 logic is, dudes.
Bottom line: "President Trump never told me directly that aid was conditioned on announcement of elections.
The only direct Giuliani statement was this was about the 2020 elections. "
polichick
(37,152 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Getting new talking points?
Having to change their underwear?
crickets
(25,982 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,400 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)obamanut2012
(26,103 posts)extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)The guy gave a million bucks to Trump, found out he was in the middle of a scandal and now wants out. "Everybody was in the loop" is his way of saying "I'm not going down for this" - I bet he just wants to go back to being a rich guy and regrets ever getting involved with Trump. Join the club, moron! Trump is a dirtbag that always dirties everything and everybody.
uponit7771
(90,356 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,400 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)I really feel sorry for Sondland. He obviously paid his 1M for an ambassadorship that would be fun, not require much real work, get to host and attend lots of parties and just generally have a good time among people of similar social status to himself. Now he's in this nightmare from trying to please Trump et al and doesn't know how to get out of it.
gristy
(10,667 posts)I don't think it's going to get them very far, but we'll see...
majority counsel is doing a really good job right now.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)mucifer
(23,559 posts)padah513
(2,504 posts)He's close to it
crickets
(25,982 posts)Botany
(70,561 posts)The man has skills.
ancianita
(36,130 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)And hes trying to protect trump it seems, yet throw everyone else under the bus
DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)Sondland's a friendly, back-slapping type guy. A friendlier approach would be getting more out of Sondland, imho.
ancianita
(36,130 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)I don't think this was Goldman's best work. And, I don't think Schiff helped the cause by taking 10 minutes for himself off the top.
ancianita
(36,130 posts)Schiff's break might be time to verify that the Repubs just talked to the White House for talking points, which is process tampering by the executive branch. Just speculating about their penchant for keeping an eye on the executive's continued obstruction and abuse of power.
It's more than it appears, is all I'm saying.
DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)etc makes the witness feel comfortable. After all, Sondland could have declined to appear as he was told to do by the WH/State Dept.
Coming out swinging makes a witness uncomfortable and defensive and adds to whatever stress the witness is already feeling.
ancianita
(36,130 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)I'm not a lawyer and it is their call.
I could see what Schiff and Goldman were trying to elicit - a confirmation of the call in the restaurant. Sondland couldn't remember it and it was frustrating for Schiff and Goldman to have to try a few different ways to get the testimony they wanted. Sondland sorta, kinda admitted it, but it wasn't exactly what they wanted.
ancianita
(36,130 posts)"in the loop."
All of those "in the loop," from GS's show of lack of awareness of plans and goals, sounds like a feckless front group for Trump.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)Someone here mentioned a Duncan cap....
uponit7771
(90,356 posts)mucifer
(23,559 posts)That's all the sheeple will hear from Fox about this entire testimony.
backtoblue
(11,345 posts)His statement earlier of "it would refresh his memory if the state dept releases documents" is interesting .
crickets
(25,982 posts)madaboutharry
(40,217 posts)Trump didn't say it to him directly, but it was all coming from Trump.
Sondland says he was absolutely convinced it was coming from Trump.
uponit7771
(90,356 posts)... about Rudy and it looks like they're going to throw Rudy under the bus and act like Trump didn't say anything.
madaboutharry
(40,217 posts)is that during the 5 minute questioning there will be a lot of republicans screaming at Sondland.
uponit7771
(90,356 posts)Polly Hennessey
(6,801 posts)and Sondland is drinking it all. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, potty break, please.
BumRushDaShow
(129,355 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Refusing to specifically name him as the source of the requirement for the investigations despite having said he was certain there was a quid pro quo re: investigations and aid
BumRushDaShow
(129,355 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)uponit7771
(90,356 posts)... anything.
"I think" or "I surmise" is different from "Trump said"
Looks like the former MO senator thinks the same thing !!
BumRushDaShow
(129,355 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,814 posts)just to pee.
BumRushDaShow
(129,355 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)MOOnes didnt look thrilled.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)ancianita
(36,130 posts)"By Sept 8, I still believed, from a timeframe standpoint, that aid was contingent... but I never heard it from Trump directly..."
That's what the Repubs will care about.
Goldman says: Do you agree?
Sondland says: I believe you are correct.
polichick
(37,152 posts)padah513
(2,504 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)Jordan still looks oddly gleeful and manic talking to Castor.
uponit7771
(90,356 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)Now the Republicans are having a little frantic conference around Jordan.
mucifer
(23,559 posts)We shall see how that works.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)they will not acknowledge the gravity of what that means.
And Trump directed Galliani. He hired Giuliani as his hit man. I hope Sondland throws Bolton under the bus a few times because Boltons ego will compel him to appear before the committee to protect his reputation.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,400 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,018 posts)Complete with eyerolls and cheek puffs. Dork.
crickets
(25,982 posts)Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,400 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)behind Sondland's left (looking forward) shoulder? His face is pretty expressive. I caught a couple of eye rolls while I was watching.
padah513
(2,504 posts)gristy
(10,667 posts)demmiblue
(36,875 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)KWR65
(1,098 posts)If he doesn't remember then why does he know he never mentioned Biden?
Politicub
(12,165 posts)he was the most incurious diplomat of all time considering he was in the midst of everything swirling around him.
uponit7771
(90,356 posts)Response to uponit7771 (Reply #99)
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mucifer
(23,559 posts)thought they had the perfect lackey.
That did not work out for them
crickets
(25,982 posts)padah513
(2,504 posts)That whenever anything was brought up regarding the investigations, he was usually the one who initiated the conversation.
Bettie
(16,120 posts)he's a rich dilettante who wanted to go to fancy parties and act important.
So, incurious isn't really a surprise in this case.
On the other hand, I'm really surprisingly sad that this is who we are now.
This is our nation: criminals running rampant with the explicit consent of a significant portion of our citizens and not a single Republican with the ethics to say "ENOUGH".
uponit7771
(90,356 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)Fresh thread for a fresh round of testimony
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212708897
demmiblue
(36,875 posts)extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)Sondland seems to be saying "I won't burn for you" to Trump and anybody else. Serves his rich ass right. He bought an ambassadorship with a million bucks, and now finds out his ass is new mown grass.
Marthe48
(17,011 posts)He is flippant. He doesn't seem to have the outlook that the deal he was working on with the other crooks was so very illegal.
At least that's what I'm getting.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)at being the center of attention than anything else. And now as you say.
He's been told, and believes, his team's going to win. Arrogance.
brooklynite
(94,698 posts)Democrats worked with Ukraine to "get" Donald Trump
Marthe48
(17,011 posts)Finally, they are describing what trumpskie really wanted: the announcement of an investigation, not an actual investigation.
extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)Again, everybody is out to get Trump! Of course that explains everything! You wonder what kind of asshole Nunes has to be to act this way. Him and gym Jordan take the cake.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)Does he ever take a break from kissing ass?
kairos12
(12,869 posts)binders full of men under the bus.
Hilarious!
DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)testimony that he went through Rudy and did not actually hear it from Trump's lips that WH meeting and military aid was dependent on announcing investigations into Biden/Burisma/2016. That keeps their "hearsay" argument at least somewhat intact.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)No one will believe them except the MAGA cult.
DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)But, of course, the "defense" is being directed by Trump which is why the Rs are forced to follow him down these ridiculous rabbit holes.