The rest of the world will not blame Donald Trump for the threats and instability

[kentuck]

They will blame the American people.

How could they have promoted and tolerated such dangerous behavior?

Republicans will blame Democrats and Democrats will blame Republicans. But the rest of the world will blame all of America.

They have sit by as Donald Trump destabilized the world order and helped Vladimir Putin weaken democracies around the world, including their own, they will argue.

All countries, including our present allies, will be very hesitant to ever trust America again.

[beachbumbob]

1. who else is responsible BUT the american people

the "lesser of 2 evils" is what gave the world trump. We own it and only we can fix it

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. That SHIT where people even remotely UTTERED that SHIT about lesser of 2 evils

gimme a second



Anyway, some of them are getting ready to DO IT AGAIN!

Thanks for making this real simple, were it NOT for those folks who were so sure Hillary was just as bad, we are not where we are now.

[beachbumbob]

5. we must never forget. Many so-called bright, intelligent people who should have known better all

betrayed our goal of not having a GOP'er in the Whitehouse.

Their ideology gave use Bush/cheney
and the same types gave us Trump

we can never forget nor let them forget their responsibility in what has and will continue to happen to our country and our future.

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. You can see it already. They have talking points about Kamala, unless she

criticizes Joe then they momentarily like her.

WHOEVER the Democratic candidate is will be attacked as "fill in the blank" unless it is THEIR desired candidate.

If it were me the new rule here would be ANYONE who wont agree with

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO

would be ejected from the board.

[beachbumbob]

10. We can have our issues with particular candidates but the fact is that ends once we have a candidate

that must end. We know why Biden been targeted from the moment trump got elected.

[TheRealNorth]

13. The bigger issue.is that some Democratic-leaning voters were convinced by social media propaganda

To stay home in 2016. Plus, Republican made it harder to vote in states like MI and WI.

Not that not voting absolves you from Trump being president. But I think the bigger issue in 2016 was turnout, not people switching votes (although that did happen, particularly in rural areas)

Although Trump had about 3.5% more votes than Romney, the population also grew about 3% (I didn't look at voting age pop change, which would be more accurate to compare).

[TwilightZone]

2. Nah.

It's pretty clear that much of the world looks at Trump as the source of the instability, particularly our allies. That's obvious if one is familiar with the media in countries like the UK. Not sure why you think they would blame the American people over the Trump admin.

The next president will have to repair those links, similar to what President Obama did after two terms of W. The pattern is the same. The only difference is the extent to which they'll need to be repaired.

[Mike 03]

7. This is my impression too at least as far as the UK is concerned

based on watching a ton of UK House of Commons and House of Lords and related committee meetings. They are very careful how they speak about "US dysfunction" and always stress that they hope it is "temporary" (i.e., go away in November 2020).

[Whiskeytide]

12. While it's true trump has been the cause, the world will...

... still blame America for trump. As well they should.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

4. I mean, yeah, sort of

Millions more people voted for Hillary but, according to the current rules of our system, Trump became President, just like W. Bush before him. But, whatever the situation may be, Trump isn't exactly representative of most Americans and we are all hurting together. The only people whom deserve to be blamed are the people who voted for or enabled Trump to win by either voting for another candidate who couldn't possibly win or just sitting out entirely. Most of us here at DU, I'm sure, went out and did our civic duty and voted for Hillary and are all suffering the same under Trump. I don't feel like we deserve to be blamed. We're at the mercy of these crazies too!

[Arthur_Frain]

6. I've travelled quite a bit over my lifetime.

I’ve found that far and away, Americans are well regarded mostly. Most of the time when I’m questioned whether I support American policy, it’s under a republican regime. Before I’m through apologizing for the idiots in charge of my country, I’m assured I don’t need to.

[apnu]

9. Yeah. That's naturally the outcome of a democracy that makes bad choices.

I work with Brits and Europeans. Politics come up in casual conversations all the time. US, UK, and EU politics it all gets time at the virtual water cooler. All of us know this game. Sure the Brits and Europeans are shocked America would elect someone so obviously bad like Trump, but then the Brits know all about electing greedy half-wits, this is the requirement for the Tory party after all. As for the Europeans, they know their history, but also see other EU states making head scratching decisions, like Italy whip-sawing elections and the disturbing rise of white nationalist parties gaining seats in most parliaments of European Union member nations. Besides Germany, who has laws about this, all EU members have this problem right now.

My point is, at least in the West, other countries know the responsibility for Trump lies on the American people, but they also know they too are guilty of these sins from time to time.

My experience with Brits and Europeans is one of understanding. They groan, they kid me about Trump, but they also sympathize what its like being held hostage by an unreasonable electorate.

What the East thinks of all this I have no idea.

[lunatica]

11. Most countries have dealt with this Trumpian kind of shit

in their own histories, which happen to be much longer than ours. They understand Trump better than we do.

Gimme a break.

The US and it’s citizens should eat crow about thinking we’re superior to other countries. If we’re smart we’ll drop the conceit and try to rejoin the world as an equal, not some crap about being better than them.

[JustAnotherGen]

14. I'm not responsible

It will be the same as one May 2007 in France at a beach party and I said - Do you REALLY think a well educated North Eastern American black woman voted for Trump?

And the French laughed. J'accuse me not.

Now - we have an electronic record of WHO was on Trumps side and who was not. We have pictures of ourselves at Protests, speaking at anti-ICE rallies, demanding the whereabouts of kidnapped children, etc. etc. In my neck of the woods (I'm about 3/4 of the way through serving a two year term on my Democratic Committee) we have two binders of who said 'what' and 'when' in support of Trump to be used against folks on the right who want to run in the next few election cycles.

There will be consequences. The rest of the world has never come to my defense or my ancestors' defense.

Only I can come to my defense - and no well meaning people on the Left are going to get into the Vindictive Centers' way.