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pepperbear

(5,648 posts) Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:29 PM Nov 2019

You know what's precious about this whole thing?

trump didn't have to extort Zelensky.

If he had given Ukraine what they needed from the start, including the global photo op at the WH, theres a good chance Zelensky would've done whatever trump wanted. The DOJ, in cooperation with Ukraine intelligence, could have announced their bogus investigation into Burisma and Crowdstrike without even mentioning Biden. The press would do that for them.

Instead, he ham-hands it, and why? BECAUSE A FREE & INDEPENDENT UKRAINE ISN'T IN RUSSIA'S BEST INTERESTS.

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You know what's precious about this whole thing? (Original Post) pepperbear Nov 2019 OP

Yes. That's the elephant in the room that everybody seems to ignore. For purposes of impeaching the Nitram Nov 2019 #1

So precious! MontanaMama Nov 2019 #2

and because cruelty is the point EveHammond13 Nov 2019 #3

It's no fun if you can't be pointlessly mean. dchill Nov 2019 #6

Yup! Corruption meets Incompetence. B Stieg Nov 2019 #4

Also, as was pointed out today robbob Nov 2019 #5

Bingo! patricia92243 Nov 2019 #7

+1000 pepperbear Nov 2019 #9

Dumbest mob boss ever. Vinca Nov 2019 #8

When your only tool is a hammer, all your problems start to look like nails... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #10

I'm a lot more scared of one smart villain like Cheney than a whole cabinet of Trump appointees. pecosbob Nov 2019 #11

Everything goes back to Russia. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #12

Nitram

(22,822 posts)

1. Yes. That's the elephant in the room that everybody seems to ignore. For purposes of impeaching the

Reply to pepperbear (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:13 PM

Nov 2019

president, we have to stick to very narrow, provable charges such as the fact that Trump tried to bribe (or extort) the president of Ukraine. But, yes, the bottom line is that Putin instruct Trump to give him Ukraine.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)

2. So precious!

Reply to pepperbear (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:18 PM

Nov 2019

Bless his heart...

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)

3. and because cruelty is the point

Reply to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:03 AM

Nov 2019

dchill

(38,505 posts)

6. It's no fun if you can't be pointlessly mean.

Reply to EveHammond13 (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:40 AM

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B Stieg

(2,410 posts)

4. Yup! Corruption meets Incompetence.

Reply to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:18 AM

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robbob

(3,534 posts)

5. Also, as was pointed out today

Reply to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:21 AM

Nov 2019

He could have simply replaced the ambassador through normal channels. He didn’t have to smear her reputation through shady background intrigues via Rudy Ghouliani. It’s all been totally self inflicted wounds. He’s a mobster and he knows only mobster ways of operating.

Pathetic.

patricia92243

(12,597 posts)

7. Bingo!

Reply to robbob (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:16 AM

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pepperbear

(5,648 posts)

9. +1000

Reply to robbob (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Vinca

(50,279 posts)

8. Dumbest mob boss ever.

Reply to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:21 AM

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Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)

10. When your only tool is a hammer, all your problems start to look like nails...

Reply to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:25 AM

Nov 2019

Trump only knows one way to deal with people.

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)

11. I'm a lot more scared of one smart villain like Cheney than a whole cabinet of Trump appointees.

Reply to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:39 AM

Nov 2019

I think we actually kinda dodged a bullet that this administration is so inept and so transparently and venally corrupt...it could have been a lot worse if they had been a bit more competent.

BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)

12. Everything goes back to Russia.

Reply to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:42 AM

Nov 2019

And everything Trump does benefits Putin.

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